It's not like the Barrens were a core territory for the Horde. The name suggests as much. It was Horde-controlled in-game for gameplay reasons, but in reality noone really had a good hold of it. So, it was a contested territory and the Alliance contested it. They also only attacked strictly military targets (AFAIK even Baine admitted that Taurajo was a major military target, even if some civilians lived there). Well, Theramore also was a military target, obviously, but the scale between it and Taurajo is just uncomparable. It's not like the Alliance owed anything to the Horde, either, and te Horde DID owe a lot to Jaina. It is simply that debt combned with the will to punish a war criminal that should make the Horde rebel against Garrosh right after Theramore was destroyed.
UHhhhh it is?t's not like the Barrens were a core territory for the Horde
By that own god awful logic logic, Westfall isnt Alliance territory.
The Horde did control it wtf are you talking about.It was Horde-controlled in-game for gameplay reasons, but in reality noone really had a good hold of it
Yes, lets turn against the guy that just wiped out the staging point for the people that were invading our territory....It is simply that debt combned with the will to punish a war criminal that should make the Horde rebel against Garrosh right after Theramore was destroyed.
I would like the writers work with the constant tension that can bring jaina/sylvanas rather than make them as raid boss which with so many enemies in legion i saw it very stupid
Jaina is one of the heroes who fought the Legion on Hyal.
Sylvanas on the other hand uses Legion Magic and once worked together with an agent of the burning Legion...
Jaina will be more or less ignored for the whole expansion is my guess.
Christ, when did people start saying INB4 in the OP again?
On topic: She's a dreadlord. People have speculated that for a long ass time. It's finally coming to fruition.
If you REALLY care, here is a 3 hour long video that talks about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBRa-9o16o8
(The guy is totally worth subbing on YouTube by the way)
Circle of Hatred specifically states it's the heart of the Horde territory. The name only suggests it's a wasteland. Like Durotar. Is Durotar not Horde core territory either? The game mentions Horde's hold over it too. Why do you think they were annoyed by the presence of Bael Modan since vanilla? And both were military targets, yet are not comparable? That double think. And Horde owed Jaina very little after she attacked them before Garrosh even started his invasion of Ashenvale. And whoopty doo, Garrosh bombed a military outpost after the civilians there fled. That war crime.
Might have something to do with expectations, Sylvanas is an undead monster broken beyond repair, lashing out at everything she perceives as a threat, you simply expect the forsaken and sylvanas to be rotten bastards and surprise they are.
People simply hold a living human to different standards it seems.
Jaina is attacked in retaliation after she attacks the Horde first and then spearheads the Alliance incursion into Horde heartland. Amazing betrayal.
She's "trying to promote peace" by personally aiding Alliance against the Horde. Before the theft of the Divine Bell. Then looses her shit because one Sunreaver followed her (i.e., their leader's) example. Even though it didn't harm Dalaran in any way and whatever weapons Horde has against the Alliance or other way around shouldn't have been the concern of neutral states. Even more amazing betrayal.
Horde faces oblivion and is forced to retreat, and can't help the Alliance in any way. The retreat doesn't change anything in Alliance's immediate circumstances. Oh noes. Maybe not as amazing as the other two betrayals, but amazing nontheless.
Oh no, they created a weapon.
Garrosh invades Gilneas. And oh no, people die during a war.
That civilian settlement had military presence, was hostile to Forsaken since vanilla (or earlier), was important element in supporting Alliance's imperialism in the region and was on land claimed by the Forsaken in their successorship of Lordaeron. Also, what dafuq is wrong about having prisoners? Jaina had them too, not exactly a problem in and on itself.
It's almost as if people could change opinions. And she offers the raised a choice, so evil. Oh, wait, in terms of necromancy the former Prime Designate is worse than her.
Again, people change outlooks.
The leak of her plans hints at trying to steal Eyir's power. And how is making deals with outside parties any relevant? Helya never gave a shit about us, she's focused on Odyn. Iunno, feels like your comparison is a bit too off to support your double standard. If anything, making it while you paint Jaina's actions as some great betrayals is doublethink on your part.
I hope they don't do that. I really liked Jaina's character - but if Jaina hadn't gone ape after they did that to Theramore, fans will be crying "ridiculous"...
I'm not sure how I like the handling of Jaina and Tyrande so far --- when you switch to Thalyssra, you see in her the sort of leader I'd have loved in Jaina and Tyrande, esp in Tyrande. But anyhow, it depends on what they do with either of them. Perhaps all that's lacking is a bit more exposure/explanation. With Thalyssra, you get to see her, hear her, interact with her. You see her views on the Legion, on saving her people after you've seen the worse bits of them too, really dominates the narrative of them. And she is not all crazy mad bitch stereotype either, there is both a feminine softness and hardness to her, that use to come across in Tyrande. Look at how the voice actress reads out Thalyssra's lines. It's a good balance, but it is shown, which is what is good and what the others don't really have
I remember Jaina in WC3, even up to ICC, I do miss that Jaina. I really liked that Jaina .. "All I ever wanted was to study" awwww.
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Yes, Thalyssra is by far my favorite female character at the moment in comparison to Alliance females. I really enjoy helping the Shal'dorei rebels, despite the fact that they burn my precious ancient mana so fast. :P
And I miss the old Jaina very much. She was probably a bit "boring", but I loved her. She was a ray of light in the gloomy World of Warcraft. Now, this light is gone and this is very sad.
I wish I could have killed Garrosh earlier (this coming from a Horde player). I wanted to get rid of him since Wrath of the Lich King. Curses on Thrall for making Garrosh the Warchief!
Well if push comes to shove I am joining Jaina. Jaina fan for life I aint killing my bae :P
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They couldn't Garrosh had a really bad regime (those that talked against him were executed), the Taurens couldn't go against him as they were recovering after Maghda took Thunderbluff (and the Horde troops did not know until the last moment, they were all surprised).
Note: Have in mind that the Taurens did gave notice to the Alliance that Garrosh was planning to attack Theramore (and they couldn't do anything about it) reason why Baine returned Anduin his hammer.
please all you jaina haters leave her be she's the ONLY lore human female left thats sexy no one else is worth it.
You can't take what ya can't see... *rolls d20* You rolled a natural 20* The skill of stealth is successful.
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