Democratic Election 2016 - Hillary Clinton Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[May90]

Elitists who are left wing tend to look down on the empoverished. I'm not sure it's true but tha's wha he means

"Left elite" (assuming he talks about Democrats) consists of hundreds, if not thousands, people. Is this just one more "hive mind" argument then?

[Spectral]

Yep you call black and brown people mongrels and apparently they are the racists.

I'm pretty sure the whole "mongrel" thing is something that's being tossed back because of it being in mvallas's signature. It's pretty fuckin' distasteful in either case though, since it's an explicitly racist term and denotes dislike of miscegenation.

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And how has that worked for you guys? How is Hillary doing now that she decided to insult, not Trump, but his supporters? See, that is the trouble with you Liberals. You ultimately do hate them as people.

You are more or less the same, heck I'd argue you are projecting your own feelings towards them onto them so you can make yourself look like a shining radiant moral person on your social media profiles just like every other dingus who reposts Now This, Occupy Democrats and John Oliver.

This is why I when the usual suspects refer to Republicans as "full of hate" and the like. Seems like a lot of projection going around. There are, of course, plenty of Republicans that express hateful sentiments, but when the person saying as much is just about snarling, it looks pretty ridiculous.

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And if you only had a more complex thinking, you would realize that there is a bit more to it than this. "Left elite hate the poor", what the hell does this even mean?

I guess there's a bit more, but not much. Leftist, highly educated educated people often feel really comfortable expressing disdain for low-status whites. I don't think this is actually disdain towards the "poor" - it's about status. The dislike is expressed at least as much against blue-collar, middle class rural Republican whites, especially if they're religious. The casual disdain for a big chunk of the population is pretty easy to see, it's not like this is some deep secret.

[mvaliz]

I'm pretty sure the whole "mongrel" thing is something that's being tossed back because of it being in mvallas's signature. It's pretty fuckin' distasteful in either case though, since it's an explicitly racist term and denotes dislike of miscegenation.

...it's also been commonly used to negatively describe creatures who have been reduced to basic angry ferral thing that has gone rabid. Which is how I've been using it. Describing mix-human breed doesn't make much sense in that term... does it?

It may not be in the Oxford dictionary that way, but that's kinda used alot in that way, particularly in Video Games.

If you're being a litterary nazi, I'd gladly change that to "Rabid pack animal" if it hurts your delicate SJW sensitivities (That's how you say it, right? "SJW Sensetivites" that your lot accuse us of being?)

[alexw]

Elitists who are left wing tend to look down on the empoverished. I'm not sure it's true but tha's wha he means

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Why do you say "I've used white trash before" as if that means it can't be racist when another person says it? My point wasn't even about racism though. And your points don't really undermine mine that there are different reasons you can ge away with saying it.

You were talking about why people get away with the term white trash but not black trash and I was explaining why. When people use the term white trash its not being used in a racist context. Its not being used against all whites or even all poor whites. However whites have tried to use terms akin to black trash on blacks and have tried to tie all blacks to those terms. That is racist. Its why the first has become socially acceptable while the latter has not.

[Wells]

...it's also been commonly used to negatively describe creatures who have been reduced to basic angry ferral thing that has gone rabid. Which is how I've been using it. Describing mix-human breed doesn't make much sense in that term... does it?

I mean maybe you didn't know this or something, but yeah, "mongrel" as a slur for mixed race people goes back a loooong way.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Yep you call black and brown people mongrels and apparently they are the racists.

Read more carefully. I call racists mongrels. Black Brown White, don't matter.

[May90]

I guess there's a bit more, but not much. Leftist, highly educated educated people often feel really comfortable expressing disdain for low-status whites. I don't think this is actually disdain towards the "poor" - it's about status. The dislike is expressed at least as much against blue-collar, middle class rural Republican whites, especially if they're religious. The casual disdain for a big chunk of the population is pretty easy to see, it's not like this is some deep secret.

Seems to me like some projection is taking place... For many highly educated people, regardless of their views, one's race doesn't mean much. Maybe it does for you, so you see those criticizing people with some views/lifestyle as picking on their race and status, instead of their words/actions?

[Spectral]

...it's also been commonly used to negatively describe creatures who have been reduced to basic angry ferral thing that has gone rabid.

It may not be in the Oxford dictionary that way, but that's kinda used alot in that way, particularly in Video Games.

If you're being a litterary nazi, I'd gladly change that to "Rabid pack animal" if it hurts your delicate SJW sensitivities (That's how you say it, right? "SJW Sensetivites" that your lot accuse us of being?)

You could search my post history, I doubt you'll find me calling anyone an "SJW".

My bad for taking the position that words mean things though. This one means:

mon·grel
ˈmäNGɡrəl,ˈməNGɡrəl/
noun
noun: mongrel; plural noun: mongrels
a dog of no definable type or breed.
"a lovable mongrel puppy"
synonyms: cross-bred, of mixed breed, half-breed, interbred, mixed
"a mongrel bitch"
antonyms: pedigree
any other animal resulting from the crossing of different breeds or types.
synonyms: cross-breed, cross, mixed breed, half-breed; More
offensive
a person of mixed descent.

The word literally is a shot at mixed breeds. There's nothing about being feral. Your vocabulary failing turning into snark about my non-existent flailing at SJWs is really absurd.

Also, just to be clear, who exactly is "my lot"? Which group of badthinkers am I affiliated with?

[TrumpIsPresident]

And if you only had a more complex thinking, you would realize that there is a bit more to it than this.

What more to it is there?

People hate people that don't look like them.

This is a universal condition of man stretching from before the dawn of civilization.

Seems to me the "more complex thinking" is required of those who honestly believe racism is a White characteristic.

"Left elite hate the poor", what the hell does this even mean?

The answer to your question is in the very post you quoted.

If only you guys knew what the permanent underclass was and how it came to be

[Spectral]

Seems to me like some projection is taking place... For many highly educated people, regardless of their views, one's race doesn't mean much. Maybe it does for you, so you see those criticizing people with some views/lifestyle as picking on their race and status, instead of their words/actions?

I find this claim extremely questionable. I do not see educated, left-wing people getting bent out of shape at La Raza or other explicitly racist views. Explicit racism seems to mostly bother them when it's low-status whites doing it.

While granting that we all have different experiences, I would be very surprised if anyone that travels mostly in educated circles hasn't noticed that there's much more disdain for low-status whites than low-status blacks.

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Read more carefully. I call racists mongrels. Black Brown White, don't matter.

Maybe I'm too PC for the thread or something but my vote is that we just shouldn't call people mongrels.

[mvaliz]

You could search my post history, I doubt you'll find me calling anyone an "SJW".

My bad for taking the position that words mean things though. This one means:

The word literally is a shot at mixed breeds. There's nothing about being feral. Your vocabulary failing turning into snark about my non-existent flailing at SJWs is really absurd.

Also, just to be clear, who exactly is "my lot"? Which group of badthinkers am I affiliated with?

God damnit, you STILL didn't bother reading my thread.

I knew, despite me writing "It may not be in the Oxford dictionary that way," In an attempt to show you I know the definition and am using the SLANG usage for the word, you would still did NOT CONSCIOUSLY READ my thread and instead post the damn definition from some website... fuking predictable.

What is "your lot?" As far as I can see... the angry lot voting for Dump who call others "SJWs" and other labels for having an opinion about wanting to make this world better. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but having a better vocabulary doesn't mean your words don't have the same meaning they do.

[Kraenen]

You were talking about why people get away with the term white trash but not black trash and I was explaining why. When people use the term white trash its not being used in a racist context. Its not being used against all whites or even all poor whites. However whites have tried to use terms akin to black trash on blacks and have tried to tie all blacks to those terms. That is racist. Its why the first has become socially acceptable while the latter has not.

You're just fudging the definitions to make your conclusion correct. People use "thug" or "ghetto" in a non racist way all the time.

I insist that when people joke about white trash it's because they assume a white person could've easily done better. A black person is at the whim of outside forces and has lower agency (or none).

In your opinion, why do people use white trash to begin with?

[mvaliz]

Maybe I'm too PC for the thread or something but my vote is that we just shouldn't call people mongrels.

PC isn't what you are. Patronizing is the word you're looking for what you are.

pa·tron·ize
ˈpātrəˌnīz,ˈpatrəˌnīz/
verb
gerund or present participle: patronizing

1.
treat with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority.

We're using the slang version of Mongrel... not the literal scientific Oxford version (of course, if you read my post while not being blinded by whatever feelz that you let lead your thinking, you would've seen that)

[TrumpIsPresident]

Obama reportedly used pseudonym to email with Clinton on her private server

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...te-server.html

President Obama used a pseudonym when sending or receiving emails through the private server system Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state, according to nearly 200 pages of documents released Friday by the FBI.

Included in the documents are notes from an April 2016 interview with long-time Clinton aide Huma Abedin, conducted in connection with the FBI’s two-year investigation into Clinton’s use of the private server for official correspondence.

One note was about the FBI showing Abedin an email address “believed to be a pseudonym used by the President,” as reported by Politico and other news-gathering agencies.

Abedin said she didn’t recognize the name and “expressed her amazement” that Obama apparently used a pseudonym.

She also exclaimed, “How is this not classified,” according to the documents.

That email exchange occurred in June 28, 2012, with the subject line “Congratulations,” perhaps regarding a Supreme Court ruling on ObamaCare. However, federal lawyers will not release the emails, citing executive privilege.

Uh oh, seems the incompetency or criminality of the miss-classified scandal goes all the way to the top.

Of course Whooooma? is taking the standard defensive posture of "oh em ge I can't recall" so the FBI can have grounds to write it off as "lack of intent".

But fun fact: Executive Privilege cant be sustained unless there is direct involvement of the Executive Branch.

So we know this happened.

[Spectral]

God damnit, you STILL didn't bother reading my thread.

I knew, despite me writing "It may not be in the Oxford dictionary that way," In an attempt to show you I know the definition and am using the SLANG term for it, you would still NOT READ my thread and post the damn definition from some website... fuking predictable.

I mean, the word is an explicitly racist term against cross-bred humans. You've come up with a non-standard version that I've never heard and isn't in dictionaries and what exactly is my reaction supposed to be? If I encounter someone saying, "when I say rollercoaster, I actually mean a car", I'm not inclined to then operate on their redefinition.

What is "your lot?" As far as I can see... the angry lot voting for Dump who call others "SJWs" and other labels for wanting to make this world better. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but having a better vocabulary doesn't mean your words don't have the same meaning they do.

I've regularly stated that I think Trump, his candidacy, and the system moving him towards the Presidency are all degenerate. I have no idea where you're getting the idea that I'm a Trump voter.

I don't understand the "stop using labels" sentiment - it's basically impossible to have a discussion about groups without labeling things. The interpretation that I'm calling people names for "trying to make the world better" is obviously absurd and uncharitable.

It's also pretty humorous to bitch about labeling when you refer to people as "mongrels" when they don't share your political sensibilities.

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PC isn't what you are. Patronizing is the word you're looking for what you are.

We're using the slang version... not the literal scientific Oxford version (of course, if you read my post while not being blinded by whatever feelz that you let lead your thinking, you would've seen that)

Would you accept this line of logic for other ethnic slurs? If I just start referring to people I don't like as a "wetbacks" and say, "hey man, I just mean that they're lazy scumbags, it has nothing to do with Mexicans", are you going to roll with that explanation?

Maybe when you're using an ethnic slur, didn't realize you were doing so, and someone informs you that you are, the right approach is to stop.

[mvaliz]

In your opinion, why do people use white trash to begin with?

I know you weren't asking me, but it's an honest question and to be fair I think it's simply because there's been no better/different name coined to describe them yet. =/ The closest I can think of is "Trailer trash", but that doesn't necessarily focus on the white-supremacist tendencies they do tend to harbor, also "Trailer Trash" could be considered a broad derogatory term for "the rural poor" in general - as many of the the rural poor aren't bad angry people like the "White Trash" are.

[alexw]

You're just fudging the definitions to make your conclusion correct. People use "thug" or "ghetto" in a non racist way all the time.

I insist that when people joke about white trash it's because they assume a white person could've easily done better. A black person is at the whim of outside forces and has lower agency (or none).

In your opinion, why do people use white trash to begin with?

I'm not fudging anything. Its a simple fact. White trash is never a term used to describe all whites. Nor has it ever been.

Now when you see the term thug applied to blacks its most frequently done so by racists who try to tie the term to all blacks. I mean come on we've seen plenty of obvious racists use the term in that way on these boards.

One is racist the other is not. So one ends up acceptable and the other not.

And people use the term white trash (in my opinion) to describe a subset of the white population who have low educations and that have certain negative attributes.

[mvaliz]

Would you accept this line of logic for other ethnic slurs? If I just start referring to people I don't like as a "wetbacks" and say, "hey man, I just mean that they're lazy scumbags, it has nothing to do with Mexicans", are you going to roll with that explanation?

Nope... because the term "Wetbacks" Isn't used as slang for what you described as you simply made that up right now for another useless argument.

"Wetback" currently IS a slang term and only has one definition: "Illegal Mexcians crossing the border via water". I know this only too well as my White-Trash biological sibling is in Arizona and works for one of the State Penetentaries, and LOVES using this term.

[Kraenen]

And people use the term white trash (in my opinion) to describe a subset of the white population who have low educations and that have certain negative attributes.

You didn't answer why they use it. We already know pretty much what it means.

And just because some people use thug as a racist term against all black people doesn't mean the term itself is racist (obviously).

[May90]

What more to it is there?

People hate people that don't look like them.

This is a universal condition of man stretching from before the dawn of civilization.

Seems to me the "more complex thinking" is required of those who honestly believe racism is a White characteristic.

All people are different, and "hate" is a very strong word. Fit for children stories though, I guess.

Not sure why you brought up "racism is a White characteristic" here. Running out of arguments, heh?

I find this claim extremely questionable. I do not see educated, left-wing people getting bent out of shape at La Raza or other explicitly racist views. Explicit racism seems to mostly bother them when it's low-status whites doing it.

While granting that we all have different experiences, I would be very surprised if anyone that travels mostly in educated circles hasn't noticed that there's much more disdain for low-status whites than low-status blacks.

I don't know who or what La Raza is, but most of the educated people I know do not seem to care about anyone's race. I mean, in our research groups there are: two Indians, two Vietnamese, one Chinese, one Japanese, one Spanish, one Italian/French with a bit of Arabic ancestry, and a lot of whites from different places - I've never ever heard of anyone even mentioning someone's race. Low-status blacks, low-status whites - what does it matter? The grocery store I buy in is located near a large somewhat poor neighborhood, and there are quite a lot low-status folks of both races - everyone is treated the same, the way I see it. *shrugs*