Should legendaries be available to everyone?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

To be so young and believe in every shit blizzard says, man, i miss those days

It's not naive, it's just how it is. Unless you have credible evidence to prove him otherwise.


And Vineri makes the typical response about hard work in a MMO and glorifying Vanill and BC....

[Leyre]

It's not naive, it's just how it is. Unless you have credible evidence to prove him otherwise.

Do you have evidence to show that such system exist? or are you one of those "blizz said it so it be must be true, despite the fact that blizz have been show to be lying about shit multiple times like with the mute system" person?

[melodramocracy]

As you know, Legendaries are one of the main features of Legion.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.

So shouldn't paying for a product automatically give me access to the entirety of it? I mean, you don't pay for a car and are immediately told "Here are the keys! You'll have access to the actual car in 2 years."

So you had the same exact complaint about Wrath / Cata / MoP legendaries, flying in recent expansions, end game bosses, etc? Is this your first MMO?

Yes, I sound entitled

Indeed.

[Kaeth]

It is.
Play more WoW and I guarantee you will end up with a Legendary.

So far, all we know about the "bad luck protection" system is that it was giving further rewards to players who had already had good luck. And that it was supposed to have been hotfixed, but anecdotal reports suggest that the problem persists.

We don't know how the bad-luck protection was intended to function. There is no reason to assume that there won't be many players who play the game religiously but never receive orange loot.

My attitude toward the legendaries is that I'm just trying to forget about them and play as if they don't exist. I sympathize with players in competitive raid guilds, however, who don't have that option.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Do you have evidence to show that such system exist? or are you one of those "blizz said it so it be must be true, despite the fact that blizz have been show to be lying about shit multiple times like with the mute system" person?

You made the claim first that it's naive to believe everything Blizzard said. Burden of proof is on you.

[Coffeh]

They WILL be available to everyone. Do people still not understand this? Everyone will have one. Everyone will have two. Have you not noticed every single class hall final upgrade is the ability to use two legendaries? They wouldn't do that if they didn't expect everyone to have two legendaries. It's just going to take a little time before that's the case.

[Gsara]

You dont pay to have the best gear, you pay to have the opportunity to get it through game play. Lets also not forget that more play time = better shit, thats how almost all loot based games work. Besides, in a few months everyone thats been playing the game will most likely have them anyways, hopefully its one that isnt just an ilvl boost for you.

[FelPlague]

i do think they need to make counter measures... because we have people with 1-5 of them, alot of them having 2-3 (thanks to the buf that was and may still be in place)

as some people have done far less content then others and gotten many more legendaries then those who have done everything they can every week to get one

i for example have 0, i have done every mythic, every emisarry, every week+tons of heroics, full clear of EN normal, nythendra heroic (yeah my guild is not the best, atleast the weekday team) now i feel i should have gotten atleast one legendary.. i dont care about 2 or 3 or whatever, atleast one to feel nice

meanwhile people who have done much less got lucky and got 1 legendary... then 2... then 3.... and yeah it sucks

idk i may be bias as i havent gotten one, and have worked my hardest (having 15 days played time since reaching 110 of basicly non stop farming) and still havent gotten 1

not the one i want, just ONE!

i dont think everyone should have legendaries, i dont think they should be super easy like get 1 a week (even though those who got one first week seem to have this luck....) i just think they need to tell us whats wrong, and what this "badluck protection" does and how it works...

cause something has GOT to be wrong still if people are still after the fix getting their second, third, and fourth legendaries, well a majority of the community has 0...

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They WILL be available to everyone. Do people still not understand this? Everyone will have one. Everyone will have two. Have you not noticed every single class hall final upgrade is the ability to use two legendaries? They wouldn't do that if they didn't expect everyone to have two legendaries. It's just going to take a little time before that's the case.

yet week one some people had 2, and now have even more, and end of week 4, and a majority of the playerbase still has 0

[Rassilon]

Part of the reason I was excited for this X pack, was that Blizz said that Legendary items where available to everyone and the longer you went with out one, the more likely you got one to drop. Well i am calling BS on that right now. I have been playing consistently, and no Legendary. This is very disappointing and upsetting. Feels like it was jsut another Devlopers Lying to players, to get their game sold. Just like Sean Murray from Hello Games.

[noctred]

I disagree on what I am paying for. I paying essentially paying for a game. Because of this, it doesn't seem like to big of a stretch to want access to ALL of the gameplay features it has included.

Completely terrible logic.

You're paying to play the game and you do have access to all of the features that the game provides. Do you buy singleplayer games and expect to start at the ending? Nah. You play the game and unlock whatever it offers over time.

Assuming you continue playing the game, you will get your legendaries. Your poll actually doesn't even make sense because everyone will get one as it is.

[Seranthor]

Your first thought is probably no, but hear me out here. As you know, Legendaries are one of the main features of Legion. Legion, being an expansion is a product by Blizzard. So shouldn't paying for a product automatically give me access to the entirety of it? I mean, you don't pay for a car and are immediately told "Here are the keys! You'll have access to the actual car in 2 years."

I shouldn't have to devote hundreds of hours trying to access a feature of a thing I am PAYING for. Yes, I sound entitled because I am a customer here. It doesn't sound crazy to want access to all of the gameplay elements I am paying for. Does anyone agree here?

Legendaries ARE available to everyone... You want one, or two, or three? Invest the time to find them.

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Well, the fact is that Legendaries were advertised to be coming with the game. Why is it bad to want it guaranteed? I mean really, this shouldn't be a question. If you're paying for anything, don't you agree that you should be guaranteed to everything the product offers?

It's not 'bad' to want something guaranteed, but legendaries were not. Want them? go find them. Easy Peasy.

[markos82]

Seriously, fuck off with that logic. You're paying to partake in the gameplay, not to receive everything in the game. It is the most obnoxious and entitled yet horrendously flawed argument I see people spout on the official forums and occasionally MMO-C as well.

That being said, I don't disagree with the fact that the legendary system isn't good. I'm not a fan of it. They're common enough that you see them on other players regularly and if you don't have one/get the wrong one you're fucked, but rare enough to be impossible to feasibly obtain on purpose.

While that may be true in a game where a company doesn't fcks up 99% of the players with a bug in code, in a case of WoW things are a bit different.

[Seranthor]

I have been hearing that the bad luck protection hasn't even been activated yet. Even then, how they are handling these things is wrong and immoral to consumers.

I am not only paying to access the game servers. I am paying for the entire expansion which means I am paying for the content it offers. By your logic, you could apply this to Dark Souls for example. You would only be paying for access to their multiplayer servers, not the game and its content.

Immoral? Seriously? Here is a lesson, what you 'paid' for was access to the game. You didn't pay for anything else.

[markos82]

If you keep playing, you will eventually get several legendaries. It's a fact. It's not a matter of if, it's simply a matter of time.

IF you farm certain mount for years you will get it eventually, right? Well while that's ok with mounts that don't affect game play, with legendary items a story is kinda different even more so because Blizzard after 1 year of alpha and beta testing managed to fck up big time.

[Goondicker]

Keeping them how they are is crap, but straight giving them to people is worse. I much preferred LK-Cata style (not daggers though).

[markos82]

You are wrong.

They have a built in system for bad luck protection, so it will happen. For some people it will take longer than others, but in the end it will happen.

Edit: To clarify a point you seem hellbent on ignoring. You are not buying legendaries with the money you pay Blizzard. You pay to play the game on servers that they host.

Where you having a winter sleep because sometime ago we learned that a protection system in place was broken?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

IF you farm certain mount for years you will get it eventually, right? Well while that's ok with mounts that don't affect game play, with legendary items a story is kinda different even more so because Blizzard after 1 year of alpha and beta testing managed to fck up big time.

Except the drop rates for said mounts are different and you can only get it from one source as well. Legendaries in Legion have multiple sources.

[Lyaelan]

They are available to everyone.

[Frolk]

Your first thought is probably no, but hear me out here. As you know, Legendaries are one of the main features of Legion. Legion, being an expansion is a product by Blizzard. So shouldn't paying for a product automatically give me access to the entirety of it? I mean, you don't pay for a car and are immediately told "Here are the keys! You'll have access to the actual car in 2 years."

I shouldn't have to devote hundreds of hours trying to access a feature of a thing I am PAYING for. Yes, I sound entitled because I am a customer here. It doesn't sound crazy to want access to all of the gameplay elements I am paying for. Does anyone agree here?

Im sure u would love to play around with lots of different legendaries in LFR/normal, but no, for me, u just another entitled casual.

[Eapoe]

The RNG of it sucks, but don't forget we are playing a casino right now. I'm with Felplague, I may not have as many hours put in, but I have still done multiple things like every mythic dungeon available, multiple mythic+2-4's, full normal EN clear and so far 6/7 heroic. Still no legendary. I'm also at the point where I would appreciate just one to drop just to know I exist in the game I am playing. I've got guild members that have received 3 so far, and I'm still sitting at the back of the proverbial cool kid bus without one.
I called this a long time ago against Blizzard's RNG statement of (paraphrasing) "we want to give people incentive to keep doing things. Going into a raid for the 30th time and getting that highly upgraded Titan forged piece is a great feeling!" Well, the opposite is also true, that when you go thru the raid for the 30th time and you see everyone else getting that gear and you are sitting on your plain Jane loot that the feeling of missing out intensifies equally. It creates just as much burn out for some players just because of the letdown of going so long without that piece while others around you are celebrating theirs. Yeah, I'm happy for them, but why do I have to sit back and just be happy for others when I could be joining in the celebration?