First presidential debate - September 26: Trump vs Hillary

[Endus]

No you are entirely wrong.

There are people who absolutely do sue with no wrongdoing on the part of who they sue. You are arguing nonsense.

If Business A and Business B make the same product and Business B is in the news going to court accused of discrimination or some shit... Who are you going to buy your product from? Whether they did something or not, their name is still plastered in the spotlight with an accusation of discrimination. So pay this guy $20,000 to drop his suit, or risk ten times that in potential lost sales due the publicity of the accusation? If eight months later after the trial they find no wrongdoing, that doesn't bring back the sales you lost the preceding eight months because of the accusation, despite your name being cleared.

There are people who literally just sue dozens of doctors for the $300 or whatever filing fee. You put out 30 lawsuits, 29 of them are thrown out... If one single doctor settles with you and his malpractice insurance pays you $15000... You just made money.

If you didn't do anything wrong, there would be no grounds for a ruling against you. By settling, you acknowledge that there's some grounds, just not the full weight of the accusation made. Yes, some companies would rather settle so it gets out of the media and they don't have to face a ruling against them in the end, but that doesn't mean they did nothing wrong. If they actually did nothing wrong, fighting that in court and establishing how baseless the accusation was is the way to go, in many cases.

Hell, I've had someone try that bullshit with me; I had a car accident a few years back when a guy pulled a U-turn through overtaking traffic (me). The police investigation based on our separate accounts, and the insurance company investigations by both of our providers, all concluded that he was 100% at fault. The guy still sued me not once but three times. My response was to say "fuck that noise", and send it along to my insurance company to get their lawyers to have the suits dismissed. My reaction was not to pay him the $1000 or whatever he was asking, because I had no culpability whatsoever in the accident. Agreeing to pay would have admitted that I had.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Saying it doesn't make it true. that's what you do, you play word games but they are hollow and not full of any substance. I guess you didn't read the news and see how pissed off Bernie supporter where, since Bernie damn near had half the popular vote in the primary, I think it's safe half her supporters don't like her.

You should take your own advice. Bolded to make it easier. You make up a bunch of random shit and claim it's true because you say it is.

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Show me where I have defended Trump in this thread. You people can't even be honest with yourselves.

Lots of emphasis on bolding today.

[zenkai]

All you're saying here is that you're literally making up bullshit yourself. Particularly since you're presuming "would have preferred Sanders to win the nom over Clinton" automatically translates to "totally hates Clinton".

Would it make you more happy to say a lot? You know all the Democrats protesting at the DNC? All the countless post I have seen on other media sites saying how they don't like Clinton but they hate Trump more?

[gusty jack]

I was going to reply to you then saw you resulted to name calling, tsk tsk That's what people result too when they have nothing of worth to say.

No one really care about your replies because all you do is play forum-gotcha and roam around praising your own supposed neutrality.

You've proven in this thread that you don't even follow your own advice, and we've all been made aware that your being "awake" is nothing but a farce.

The infraction was worth it, and I'd do it again.

Wump wump, I didn't have to resort to it, I enjoyed doing it. It's only an ad hominem if I attack you instead of your argument, which wasn't the case here. I wouldn't expect your to be able to understand the difference, unless maybe someone showed it to you in a Youtube highlight replay video.

[zenkai]

You should take your own advice. Bolded to make it easier. You make up a bunch of random shit and claim it's true because you say it is.

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Lots of emphasis on bolding today.

Oh look you're deflecting, you made an absurd claim, can't back it up and posted bullshit, why am I not surprised.

[Breccia]

You keep preaching responsibility. Do you know of any politician who answered for what he did?

(deep breath)

Laura Richardson, Jesse Jackson Jr, Rick Renzi, Trey Radel, Michael Grimm, Dennis Hastert, Chaka Fattah, Mark Fuller, Scott Bloch, David Safavian, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Lester Crawford, Claude Allen, William J Jefferson, Jack Abramoff, Duke Cunningham, Frank Ballance, Bill Janklow, Jim Traffcant, Wade Sanders, Darleen Druyun, Mel Reynolds, Walter Tucker III, Bob Packwood, Wes Cooley, Austin Murphy, Mike Hubbard, Bob Filner, Eddie Perez, Ray Nagin, Roger B. Wilson, Andrew Stein, Kathleen Kane, Don Siegelman, Enest Page, Rod Blagojevich, Bob Taft, Buddy Cianci, dozens of mayors, hundreds of state senators and representatives, and General David Petraeus in this century alone.

*pant pant pant*

Sorry, you were saying?

[zenkai]

No one really care about your replies because all you do is play forum-gotcha and roam around praising your own supposed neutrality.

You've proven in this thread that you don't even follow your own advice, and we've all been made aware that your being "awake" is nothing but a farce.

The infraction was worth it, and I'd do it again.

Wump wump, I didn't have to resort to it, I enjoyed doing it. It's only an ad hominem if I attack you instead of your argument, which wasn't the case here. I wouldn't expect your to be able to understand the difference, unless maybe someone showed it to you in a Youtube highlight replay video.

You care, you keep replying. I am awake, I am not a mindless zealot like most of you Republicans and Democrats.

[I Push Buttons]

If you didn't do anything wrong, there would be no grounds for a ruling against you. By settling, you acknowledge that there's some grounds, just not the full weight of the accusation made. Yes, some companies would rather settle so it gets out of the media and they don't have to face a ruling against them in the end, but that doesn't mean they did nothing wrong. If they actually did nothing wrong, fighting that in court and establishing how baseless the accusation was is the way to go, in many cases.

How so? Did you ignore everything I just wrote?

The potential for lost business alone makes it entirely not worth it to go to trial... And after the trial where they rule in your favor, what are you going to do, sue them for damages? Joe Nobody can't pay for your million in lost sales and it makes you look even worse in the media.

[Paranoid Android]

You care, you keep replying. I am awake, I am not a mindless zealot like most of you Republicans and Democrats.

Oooh! Not claiming a political party, keeps you totally neutral.

[Endus]

Would it make you more happy to say a lot? You know all the Democrats protesting at the DNC? All the countless post I have seen on other media sites saying how they don't like Clinton but they hate Trump more?

What would make me "happy" is if you had actual reputable basis for the things you say, rather than just spouting off whatever nonsense sprang to mind.

You're taking a smattering of anecdotal references and claiming that "half of Clinton voters hate her". Yeah, no. Provide a reputable study that establishes that close to 50% of Clinton voters marked down "hate her" as their choice of opinion, or admit you're making up slander.

[gusty jack]

You care, you keep replying. I am awake, I am not a mindless zealot like most of you Republicans and Democrats.

I'm bored at work and this is passing the time, I wouldn't say I care.

I live in Canada. You're not awake, you're being ridiculous. You don't even know the facts and you're not fooling anyone with your fake neutrality.

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Yes, but the more-widespread wage suppression is tied to things like the stagnation of the minimum wage, which Clinton is explicitly hoping to address. Trying to tie it to illegal immigration is completely baseless.

Increasing the minimum wage will only result in more unemployment as long as illegal immigration is not curbed.

[Endus]

How so? Did you ignore everything I just wrote?

The potential for lost business alone makes it entirely not worth it to go to trial... And after the trial where they rule in your favor, what are you going to do, sue them for damages? Joe Nobody can't pay for your million in lost sales and it makes you look even worse in the media.

I'm not "ignoring" anything.

They make the case go away by admitting to a lesser fault, and getting a reduced penalty. If there were no poor behaviour to admit to, there'd be no grounds for any settlement whatsoever.

Unless you're talking about paying Joe Nobody under the table to drop the case, actual settlements admit to some culpability.

[zenkai]

Oooh! Not claiming a political party, keeps you totally neutral.

Nope, voting based on facts and not feelings makes me neutral. How about you guys stay on topic and focus less on me?

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What would make me "happy" is if you had actual reputable basis for the things you say, rather than just spouting off whatever nonsense sprang to mind.

You're taking a smattering of anecdotal references and claiming that "half of Clinton voters hate her". Yeah, no. Provide a reputable study that establishes that close to 50% of Clinton voters marked down "hate her" as their choice of opinion, or admit you're making up slander.

Shouldn't you practice what you preach?

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I'm bored at work and this is passing the time, I wouldn't say I care.

I live in Canada. You're not awake, you're being ridiculous. You don't even know the facts and you're not fooling anyone with your fake neutrality.

How am I being ridiculous? What are you basing off that I don't know facts or not neutral? You can't answer any of this. I am happy you had to make a fake account just to attack little ol me.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Oh look you're deflecting, you made an absurd claim, can't back it up and posted bullshit, why am I not surprised.

Says the person who makes a bunch of claims without ever backing a single one up. You're quite hilarious.

Speaking of deflection, I guess what I posted was too uncomfortable for you so you deflected right back onto me.

[harruin]

Well, she was one of the highest rated Secretaries of State we've ever had[/url]. I mean, nobody's going to top Powell, but other than that.

EDIT: And. You know, that's important for a Secretary of State. More so for a President.

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It's been an interesting day. Thanks for the on-the-ground perspective! I'd do the same if I could.

Her term as secretary of state was disastrous. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply hasn't looked into it at all. She was a driving force between getting us into Libya to remove Qaddafi, which was/is a disaster.

She then wanted to push hard on invading Iran, citing they were close to a nuclear bomb. She even said this bullshit again last night.

She then pushed hard on funding/training "moderate" Syrian rebels and said Assad has to go. She still holds those views too.

[Endus]

Increasing the minimum wage will only result in more unemployment as long as illegal immigration is not curbed.

Such a correlation has never been demonstrated in actual practice.

http://www.businessforafairminimumwa...cause-job-loss
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-unemployment
https://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster
http://www.epi.org/minimum-wage-statement/
http://cepr.net/documents/publicatio...ge-2013-02.pdf

What you're talking about is a myth, and one that's been pretty conclusively shown to be bankrupt.

[zenkai]

Says the person who makes a bunch of claims without ever backing a single one up. You're quite hilarious.

What claims did I make? Let's back it up!

[alexw]

And yet again Trump can't help himself. After getting trounced via Hillary bringing up his sexist comments on a beauty queen pageant winner, he decides that he can't let it go and decides to insult her some more. Just look at the expressions of the Fox folks. They say it all.

http://bcove.me/cvwhby94

[Paranoid Android]

Increasing the minimum wage will only result in more unemployment as long as illegal immigration is not curbed.

So we should enforce current laws and go after employers and businesses that choose to hire illegals over citizens?

I would think you would agree with this statement along with protecting our borders, which I agree with.

Problem is one side just wants to demonize the people coming over. Nothing but hand waving by saying "look at this hand" while not paying attention to the whole problem.