The more I play my mage alt, the more annoyed I get.

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Why take a Warlock, when mages have:
1. An interrupt
2. Better CC (sheep>>>fear)
3. Better damage. (See 75% parses on reddit. Fire in top 3. Demo and destro in middle)
4. Better mobility. (Blink through mechanics)
5. More spells to cast while moving: scorch, ignite + pyro, living bomb, icy floes
6. Better survivability (ice block allows to ignore certain mechanics)
7. Bloodlust
What do warlocks have?
1. The gateway (it's incredible, don't get me wrong)
2. Sustainability
But give me 5 more. Hell. 3 more. 2 more? 1?
EDIT: This is purely a mythic guild progress discussion. Be it raids or mythic+

[Jondar]

I laugh every time I read a "WHY TAKE A WARLOCK WHEN X DOES Y"

Please, stop.

[Bridius]

Mages fireblast even says "conflagrate the target, causing x ammount of fire damage over x seconds"

It would be nice if conflagate the actual spell could conflagrate our target too.

[Bagins]

I'll be sarcastic so take it with a pinch of salt:
1. Summoning stone (+++, especially while pugging).
2. Soulwell (++, free "pots" always welcomed).
3. Demonic gateway (+, minor gain but can be handy on some encounters).
4. Enslave demon / banish (++, really handy in some M+).

Well, these were pros for our class. (Just wanted to be kind )

[Hintzmann]

Why take a Warlock, when mages have:
1. An interrupt
2. Better CC (sheep>>>fear)
3. Better damage. (See 75% parses on reddit. Fire in top 3. Demo and destro in middle)
4. Better mobility. (Blink through mechanics)
5. More spells to cast while moving: scorch, ignite, pyro, living bomb, icy floes
6. Better survivability (ice block allows to ignore certain mechanics)

What do warlocks have?

Lets see
1. raid wide mobilety in form of gateway
2. free healthstones for the raid
3. Combat res.
4. location based blink if demonic circle is chosen
5. spells castable on the go depends on spec and talents
Demo: demonwrath, (shadowflame talent), (implosion talent), and some summons.
Affliction: Corruptio, Agony, (siphone life talent), (phantom singularity talent), and again certain summons.
Destro: Conflagrate, Rain of Fire, (shadowburn talent), and again certain summons.
6. summoning portal.

And while iceblock sure is stronger on a pure defensive view, it locks you up for the duration and stops you from doing anything while it lasts

[Bridius]

Comparing the utility of Blink to a combat res?

You use health stones over healing potions??

Summoning portal? While in combat?

Implosion and Shadowburn in a raid encounter?

Rain of Fire for damage while moving? That costs 3 soul shards

You're not a warlock...

[Deleted]

Yes... the gateway. A spell that no one usually wants you to cast because they are too blind and click it by accident. So you barely ever use it.
Well atleast theres 1 fight on EM wheres the gateway is actually fucking awesome, and thats elethre. Skip half of the web when switching platforms ftw.

[striderZA]

6. Better survivability (ice block allows to ignore certain mechanics)

Lmaoooo

/10

[Deleted]

Timewarp should be on the list. I'd rather have that than a 3 sec CR. I'd much rather have it than gateway.

Personal DPS CD instead of summon doomguard would also be great. Lord of Flames for destruction is nice, but it has a 10 min cd.

When doing solo world content, I like warlocks though. One of the best classes for that, since you can pull whatever you want and destroy it all at once. Mages are not as good at that.

I just really hope that they aren't done with warlocks yet, because I still firmly believe something is missing from all 3 specs. Destruction is mostly missing interrupt, and all 3 specs could use soul stone being instant cast. Demo needs a small rework to not be so extremely reliant on haste and uninterrupted turreting, aff needs some more single target DPS as well as something more interesting to do (Applying 2 dots, drain life filler and UA is just not enough, and siphon life means no seed of corruption).

If affliction and demo had better baseline AoE (Actual shard spenders for AoE baseline) then implosion and seed of corruption also wouldn't feel so necessary to pick for anything that isn't pure single target.

[transparent]

Pretty sure Soulstone is instant with 7.1.

[Deleted]

Lets see
1. raid wide mobilety in form of gateway
2. free healthstones for the raid
3. Combat res.
4. location based blink if demonic circle is chosen
5. spells castable on the go depends on spec and talents
Demo: demonwrath, (shadowflame talent), (implosion talent), and some summons.
Affliction: Corruptio, Agony, (siphone life talent), (phantom singularity talent), and again certain summons.
Destro: Conflagrate, Rain of Fire, (shadowburn talent), and again certain summons.
6. summoning portal.

And while iceblock sure is stronger on a pure defensive view, it locks you up for the duration and stops you from doing anything while it lasts

1. I won't deny it, it's an incredible tool.
2. It encourages laziness because potions are about 75% better. It's actually a con rather than a pro.
3. The combat res is not a factor because it's the last resort as far as combat resses go since it takes too long to cast.
4. "IF CHOSEN". Mages don't have to choose anything. They get everything.
5. Affli doesn't exist. The 2+ min cooldowns are irrelevant. Rof is just stupid. Ignoring that the other 2 specs have less movement abilities than fire COMBINED.
6. Summoning portal again encourages laziness. People should be ready at the dungeon before the raid begins.

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I'll be sarcastic so take it with a pinch of salt:
1. Summoning stone (+++, especially while pugging).
2. Soulwell (++, free "pots" always welcomed).
3. Demonic gateway (+, minor gain but can be handy on some encounters).
4. Enslave demon / banish (++, really handy in some M+).

Well, these were pros for our class. (Just wanted to be kind )

1. I didn't mention it but this is a mythic guild progress discussion.
2. Pots are 75% better
3. It's a great tool.
4. Poly/frost nova is handy everywhere.

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I laugh every time I read a "WHY TAKE A WARLOCK WHEN X DOES Y"

Please, stop.

And you please start. Answering the topic that is. Oh wait. You can't.

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Lmaoooo

/10

Isn't it funny? The supposedly squishiest caster is more survivable than the supposedly tankiest caster

[Koloss]

You made a Mage? You traitor!

[Deleted]

Comparing the utility of Blink to a combat res?

You use health stones over healing potions??

Summoning portal? While in combat?

Implosion and Shadowburn in a raid encounter?

Rain of Fire for damage while moving? That costs 3 soul shards

You're not a warlock...

Good thing you ignored the gateway, because that is an unique in-combat utility that is incredibly helpful on several encounters like Renferal etc

[Deleted]

Oh look, another warlock complaining thread..

The grass is always greener on the other side.

[Archimand]

Anyone else remembers Warlocks have that too?

Also, all Guilds take Warlocks gladly as well as Mages, this is no either or situations.

sure if u dont want to dps pick interupt why not.

i still dont know why they removed control demon abilities from sac

[Deleted]

Oh look, another warlock complaining thread..

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Just give me at least 3 more things where locks are better than mages in mythic raid or mythic+ environment. Other than gateway.

[Sevarin]

you cast ignite? impressive.

[Deleted]

You made a Mage? You traitor!

If I get my first legendary on it and it's the bis one, I'm switching after 8 years of warlock.

[Sliske]

Warlock a 'bad dps' (read: not massively overpowered) for the first time in 10 years and the sky is falling.

Why take a warlock?

1. Healthstones
2. Battle Rezz
3. Ranged AoE stun
4. Insane survivability, 1 less person to heal
5. Range. That in itself is a reason
6. Great spread sustained cleave
7. Good single target, you just have to not be a shitter
8. Summoning stone

The fact that your raid probably already has like 3 mages, and your mythic+ group already has a mage. The fact that class stacking hasn't been in the game since 3 warlocks on Lei Shen or 10 arcane mages on Spine of Deathwing.

The fact that you're probably not even mythic raiding, meaning your spec is totally irrelevant. And even if you are, you probably aren't in a world <500 guild, where people actually care about what you play and how.

[Darkith]

Icy Floes is what makes me bitter. Mages don't suffer due to movement. They essentially have KJC and yet no one complains that it's overpowered like they did when locks had it. If demo locks had Icy Floes I think the QQ on forums would diminish greatly.