Police shoot and kill elderly woman with bat despite having taser

[zenkai]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2835758

Barry, an eight-year department veteran working in the 43rd Precinct, convinced her to drop the scissors, but she grabbed a wooden bat and lunged a “close distance of an amount of feet” across the narrow room at him, sources said.

“As she attempted to strike the sergeant, he fired two shots from his service revolver, striking her in the torso,” said Assistant Chief Larry Nikunen, the commanding officer of Patrol Borough Bronx.

Medics took the woman to Jacobi Hospital, where she died at 7:15 p.m.

It's unclear why he went for his gun.

Now the woman had mental issue was having an episode and was already known to the police. The cop had a taser and made no attempt to use it. Instead opting to shoot the mentally disturbed woman who they know has had past issues since they've gotten calls before.

Good for him.

[Themius]

Black (of course) AND mentally ill? Nice combo there for the US cops, well done.

Next: "Police shoot and kill elderly tetraplegic in her bed, claim self defense".

Fuck yeah!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/tex...utee-shooting/

Actually kind of happened. Shot double amputee for trying to stab with a pen. Because apparently tasers are difficult.

[Scathbais]

If a man cannot subdue a 66 year old woman with strength alone... should they really be an officer?

Why should a police office have to risk their life needlessly to subdue someone attacking them with what the perceive to be lethal intent?

[zenkai]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/tex...utee-shooting/

Actually kind of happened. Shot double amputee for trying to stab with a pen. Because apparently tasers are difficult.

Because tasers always work...

[Scathbais]

a 66 yr old could still do damage with a bat, and i know officers need to protect themselved, but i doubt they could not have overpowered her, or yeah, use the taser.

It is very easy to be a Monday morning quarterback and second guess what a police officer should and shouldn't have done to protect themselves from an aggressive and dangerous person.

Here is a video showing what happens when a black rights activist goes through actual police scenario training: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

Enough said on this topic.

[zenkai]

Why should a police office have to risk their life needlessly to subdue someone attacking them with what the perceive to be lethal intent?

Because all officers should be like Walker Texas Ranger and know Karate.

[Felya]

Because all officers should be like Walker Texas Ranger and know Karate.

When did the populace become villains in a fucking TV show?

[xChurch]

The mentality is America has gotten pretty fucked up when even the risk of some bruises by a 66-year-old woman is enough to justify killing her for some people.

[Felya]

Tonight on Walker taxes ranger, Chuck Noris evades a mutated grandma's lethal strike, as she screams 'I'll get your little dog too'...

[TheFirstOnes]

"Cop shoots a 66 y/o black lady, even though the lady could've harmed the cops majorly".

BLM: OMG! THE COPS HAVE SHOT A BLACK! BLACK LIVES MATTA.....AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Me: *Facepalm* She has a bat, and could've done damage to a cop. Just because she's black and old, doesn't mean she won't arm authority. It's called self defense. However, I will agree on one thing, they should've tased her. However, we need less idiots these days...

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The mentality is America has gotten pretty fucked up when even the risk of some bruises by a 66-year-old woman is enough to justify killing her for some people.

Well, half of the time, bats do cause knock outs, as well as broken bones. Idc what people say, she attacked. And sure, even though she could've gotten tased, she fucked up by attack the law.

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Because tasers always work...

Well, now that you say that, they don't always work. If the person was able to dodge it, or was strong enough to take it, then...you'll need a gun...

[zenkai]

When did the populace become villains in a fucking TV show?

When did you not get the point? It was right away.

[Felya]

"Cop shoots a 66 y/o black lady, even though the lady could've harmed the cops majorly".

BLM: OMG! THE COPS HAVE SHOT A BLACK! BLACK LIVES MATTA.....AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Me: *Facepalm* She has a bat, and could've done damage to a cop. Just because she's black and old, doesn't mean she won't arm authority. It's called self defense. However, I will agree on one thing, they should've tased her. However, we need less idiots these days...

This makes no sense, if you agree with BLM that lethal force should not have been used, what is your disagreement? That BLM is wrong and it is cops duty to shoot those they consider idiots?

No, most cops do not shoot grandmas with bats. Most cops do not shoot until they absolutely have to. Why do you hate cops so much, that you want everyone to think all cops do this?

[xChurch]

Well, half of the time, bats do cause knock outs, as well as broken bones. Idc what people say, she attacked. And sure, even though she could've gotten tased, she fucked up by attack the law.

My problem is that I still fail to see how that justifies killing someone. If your officers can't handle any threats without deadly force they need better training, but hell that doesn't even seem the problem, it's that they just don't bother trying anything other than deadly force. If the cop had tried to take the bat but couldn't for whatever reason that would be far more justifiable than just shooting at the first sign of aggression.

[Dug]

Because tasers always work...

Well we'd never know unless it's actually used. Should just stop carrying them if we're just going to keep going "They don't always work" whenever these topics come up. Like seriously, it's an extremely effective weapon that was invented for a reason, you might as well try it out.

[Felya]

When did you not get the point? It was right away.

What do you mean your point was right away? That doesn't make any sense...

Walker Texas ranger fights fictional villains, not general public. A police officer does not need to concern them selfs with having the fighting acumen of Chuck Norris, because general public is not Bruce Lee and Ninjas...

[zenkai]

Well, now that you say that, they don't always work. If the person was able to dodge it, or was strong enough to take it, then...you'll need a gun...

It's probably a really bad idea too, to shot electricity into someone coming into contact with you.

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What do you mean your point was right away? That doesn't make any sense...

Walker Texas ranger fights fictional villains, not general public. A police officer does not need to concern them selfs with having the fighting acumen of Chuck Norris, because general public is not Bruce Lee and Ninjas...

My point was that people assume a cop can easily subdue a violent person intent on hurting them with fisty cuffs. Most of you kids think TV is real world.

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Well we'd never know unless it's actually used. Should just stop carrying them if we're just going to keep going "They don't always work" whenever these topics come up. Like seriously, it's an extremely effective weapon that was invented for a reason, you might as well try it out.

Well its a good thing this woman got lucky.


Female officer shot and killed knife-wielding man after taser failed

[TheFirstOnes]

This makes no sense, if you agree with BLM that lethal force should not have been used, what is your disagreement? That BLM is wrong and it is cops duty to shoot those they consider idiots?

No, most cops do not shoot grandmas with bats. Most cops do not shoot until they absolutely have to. Why do you hate cops so much, that you want everyone to think all cops do this?

let me make this more clear. If the woman was to attack, and the cops pulled out the tasers, missed their shots, then yes...a gun would be needed.

[Alvito]

We did discuse mentaly ill as "not be as malicious" = not responsible for his actions becuse of illnes, sure the worst criminals have mental problem but few are so ill as ther illnes absolves them.

Say we have a sweet dog like old yeller. He gets rabies and is now a dangerous animal. You don't let him bites people just because it is a disease making him do it.

[Guyviroth]

Why should a police office have to risk their life needlessly to subdue someone attacking them with what the perceive to be lethal intent?

Because you get backlash like this.

Now let me ask you a question: Why should a police officer's first instinct be "fire my gun", as opposed to "use non-lethal force"?

[Guyviroth]

ive never known a security guard who was attacked by anyone who didn't pull out their weapon. insurance companies that security agencies typically use would have to pay out more in life insurance and disability if the agent dies or perm injured. idk what agency youre working for but its not the norm. unless they didn't give you a gun to use which is more likely since most security guards don't have guns.

and don't try to convince anyone that security guards are all trained as krav maga masters able to take down any and all situations without lethal force.. cause they aren't. guards are there to call police if the see anything bad happening.

I live in the UK. Most of our officers don't carry anything more than tasers, let alone giving a security guard a gun. More to the point, perpetrators don't carry anything more lethal than a bladed object, such as a knife. We also work in squads of between 2-5 people. And no, we're not "krav maga masters", nor did I say we were. I know I'm not, anyway. But we are all trained in basic self-defense for, as you mentioned, insurance purposes.