Germany shootings: Four police officers shot by 'far-right extremist'

[Deleted]

German police shoots 3-4 people a year.

Only confirming my suspicion that Germany isn't in Europe. Because we are told REPEATEDLY that Europeans are enlightened and their police officers have 60+ years of training in psychology, crisis intervention, and defensive-only martial arts, thus removing any need for physical confrontation, least of all with firearms.

It is known.

Well, I'd say 3-4 people yearly on a population of 81 million is pretty good, I wonder how that number compare's to the US (800 on a population of 300 million).

So you could factually say that European (at least German) police, are indeed enlightened and far more professional in not shooting the people they are supposed to protect.

[Templar 331]

This is rocket science for you, isn't it?

By all means, please enlighten us. God forbid you add anything of worth here.

We think it's a super stupid idea to let you keep a gun when you're turning into a sociopath just because you once obtained it legally.

The thing about psychology is that it's a soft science. You can't put a number on when someone's going to go psycho. Your "OMG! HE'S ABOUT TO GO ON A RAMPAGE!!!" is someone else's "oh he's just venting."

You lot need to stop worshipping your amendments like they are the 10 commandments. Everything has an exception, given the right circumstanes.

I don't argue that. The 2nd doesn't apply to us owning military equipment. Over here the Constitution is the final say but it's up to our Supreme Court to determine if a law is in conflict with the constitution. Not sure how it works over there so I can't make a judgement but I'm guessing it's the same.

Given a situation where you have a face off between the German first article (everyone has a right to live and be bodily unharmed) and the 14th article (everyone has the right to possess property), it's not hard to see which article takes precedence over the other.

Having a gun doesn't endanger you or anyone.

Yeah, I'd like to see you kill a person with a house.

House hold accidents do happen.

If you threaten to hurt others, by whatever means, then yes. It should be taken away.

The act of threatening someone with violence is illegal. Having a gun isn't threatening someone.

Also, these so called Reichsbürger deny to accept the BRD as an authority, so they are not entitled to anything by our laws. If they don't want to be a part of the BRD, fine. Their choice. GTFO. I'd say to them the same thing I'd say to refugees. If you want to stay, play by the rules. If not, fuck off.

So they're hypocrites. We have them too. People who hate the government and want to deregulate just about everything while enjoying the benefits of those regulations.

Well, when you think that the government taking away your guns is a good reason to start a shoot out and try to kill people then you shouldn't be able to have any weapons.

By all means, be a nice little sheep. I'm not one for paranoid delusions but when the government is trying to take away what is mine then I will fight for it.

"at the drop of a hat" So you know what actually happened beforehand and what this guy who opened fire and injured 4 people has done? No, no you don't.

Going off of what was posted in the OP. If you have more information by all means link it.

"Would he have shot anyone if no one bothered him? Probably not. We have plenty of gun nuts over here that threaten to over throw the government and they don't shoot anyone." That's really reassuring. No need to check up on them (bother them) at all. /SARCASM

Unless they show themselves as a threat to the public, no there really isn't.

This shit some people say on the internet just cracks me up because it's so ridiculous. Do you even know what you just said? Let me summarize that for you:
There are plenty of GUN NUTS that THREATEN TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT but we should not "bother them" because then they start shooting people and they only do that because they need to "defend" their "rights".

Welcome to reality. No matter how ridiculous it is or how much you don't like it there it is. There will always be people like those and they are afforded the same rights as I have. Just because what comes out of their mouths is retarded doesn't mean they don't deserve the same rights.

Sorry but you lose your rights when you start collecting a massive amount of guns and start threatening people. Especially these days when every moron out there starts copying other morons and shoot people up for no good reason (see above).

Where does it say he was threatening people? Because he had a lot of guns? That in itself isn't a threat.

[Noradin]

Having a gun doesn't endanger you or anyone.

If you mean "owning a gun", then yes, you are right, if you mean "possessing a gun" (which would be the standard interpretation of "having a gun") then that one can in fact endanger you and others.

[purebalance]

Dude they just shot 4 police officers. That is textbook extremism. We need to crack down on this type of behaviour not make excuses for it.

They raided their home for a reason you have yet to suggest other than them being extremists. If we did the same to suspected Muslim extremists every time someone suggested it like what seems to be happening in Europe with "right wing extremists", there'd be a huge uproar.

Your logic: They are extremists. Why are they extremists? Because they shot cops who entered their home in a raid because they are extremists...

You make no sense at all "dude".

[Noradin]

They raided their home for a reason you have yet to suggest other than them being extremists. If we did the same to suspected Muslim extremists every time someone suggested it like what seems to be happening in Europe with "right wing extremists", there'd be a huge uproar.

They raided the home for illegal possession of a gun (not illegal ownership, possession) after he refused to comply with the requirements that come with owning (not and with possessing) a gun in Germany. He demonstrated that he was a danger for others by not complying with the requirements.

[Deleted]

They raided their home for a reason you have yet to suggest other than them being extremists. If we did the same to suspected Muslim extremists every time someone suggested it like what seems to be happening in Europe with "right wing extremists", there'd be a huge uproar.

Your logic: They are extremists. Why are they extremists? Because they shot cops who entered their home in a raid because they are extremists...

You make no sense at all "dude".

They raided his house because he broke German laws, if you want to own firearms in Germany (and most other European countries) you are subject to checkups from the police. He started shooting at the police during one of these checkups they had to use force because he didn't allow them in for previous checkups because he was delisional and part of a extremist rightwing group that believed that claiming the 3th reigh never ended made them immume to modern day German laws.

[Maduk]

By all means, be a nice little sheep. I'm not one for paranoid delusions but when the government is trying to take away what is mine then I will fight for it.

Difference in this case is, that he no longer had a valid firearms licence to possess those guns.

[Templar 331]

If you mean "owning a gun", then yes, you are right, if you mean "possessing a gun" (which would be the standard interpretation of "having a gun") then that one can in fact endanger you and others.

No, it can't. If I have in my possession (on me) a gun I am not endangering anyone. If I have a gun in my hand pointing it at someone or I am misusing it then yes, but simply have one on your person isn't a danger.

You people and your gun phobias.

[Doctor Funkenstein]

So you could factually say that European (at least German) police, are indeed enlightened and far more professional in not shooting the people they are supposed to protect.

Nope, they're murderous psychopaths who assassinate good, young boys who were just trying to go to school when they could have used their 60+ years of psychological, martial arts, crisis intervention, and medical doctor skillz that all European officers possess to deescalate every one of those situations without resorting to bloodshed. Stop being a fucking apologist and deal with the fact that Germany clearly isn't European!!!

[Templar 331]

Difference in this case is, that he no longer had a valid firearms licence to possess those guns.

Which is literally a foreign concept to me. After reading another link to the story, thanks to cFortyfive, his license was revoked because he didn't let anyone in to inspect his house. Pretty weird that you have to let the government in your house every so often to ensure you are following the law.

http://www.br.de/nachrichten/mittelf...serei-100.html

[Truculentt]

Which is literally a foreign concept to me. After reading another link to the story, thanks to cFortyfive, his license was revoked because he didn't let anyone in to inspect his house. Pretty weird that you have to let the government in your house every so often to ensure you are following the law.

http://www.br.de/nachrichten/mittelf...serei-100.html

i was about to go off on a rant about this... tanks for saving my breath.


what exactly is the point of that article? His license expired. Really has nothing to do with a cultural divide.

[cFortyfive]

Which is literally a foreign concept to me. After reading another link to the story, thanks to cFortyfive, his license was revoked because he didn't let anyone in to inspect his house. Pretty weird that you have to let the government in your house every so often to ensure you are following the law.

Well responsible storage could have prevented one of the most prolific rampages around here. Overall not much different than inspections for my car. I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with the government making certain that guns are only held by responsible users and are stored properly as long as it isn't excessive or abused.

[ranzino]

They raided the home for illegal possession of a gun (not illegal ownership, possession) after he refused to comply with the requirements that come with owning (not and with possessing) a gun in Germany. He demonstrated that he was a danger for others by not complying with the requirements.

No, he was not.

[AeneasBK]

Whelp, one thing this thread showed me is that some Americans really are as insane about "guberment taking mah gunz" as the stereotypes I thought they were exagerated for comic effect but no; people really are that mental.

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So you could factually say that European (at least German) police, are indeed enlightened and far more professional in not shooting the people they are supposed to protect.

Go back to Captain Flashheart it always made me smile

[Noradin]

No, it can't. If I have in my possession (on me) a gun I am not endangering anyone. If I have a gun in my hand pointing it at someone or I am misusing it then yes, but simply have one on your person isn't a danger.

You people and your gun phobias.

You are endangering others by potentially handling it wrong, by potentially not keeping it save etc..
And yes, the USA demonstrate that "simply having one" is putting others in danger statistically, thus the laws requiring you to demonstrate that you know how to handle and how to store it responsibly.

[araine]

Well, I'd say 3-4 people yearly on a population of 81 million is pretty good, I wonder how that number compare's to the US (800 on a population of 300 million).

So you could factually say that European (at least German) police, are indeed enlightened and far more professional in not shooting the people they are supposed to protect.

But the far right wingers will always twist the story. to them it is 100% proof that something isnt working when you have a couple cases in decades. yet these same people are livid defenders of the police murderers in various places. And the hundreds upon hundreds of death is just something you have to live with. to them no "socialist" country can do anything better than a true fascist can do it. to them the answer is always more violence by the police.

[Noradin]

No, he was not.

He was, he demonstrated that he was incapable of compying with or wilfully ignoring savety regulations, thus demonstrating that him possessing a gun was unsave.
That is what one commonly refers to endangering others.

[Maduk]

Which is literally a foreign concept to me. After reading another link to the story, thanks to cFortyfive, his license was revoked because he didn't let anyone in to inspect his house. Pretty weird that you have to let the government in your house every so often to ensure you are following the law.

Theres more to that:

The firearms ownership license is only valid for 3 years, after that you have to prove that you are still trustworthy enough to have guns (german law).
The government asked him 2 times to do that. He responded that he doesn't have to do that, because he doesn't acknowledge the BRD.
After that he stopped paying taxes for his car, declared that he is no longer a citizen of his town and founded an own country.
Then the government declared him mentally unstable and unable to own guns.

[Deleted]

He was, he demonstrated that he was incapable of compying with savety regulations, thus demonstrating that him possessing a gun was unsave.

The purpose of the gun safe is to keep the guns secure, not to keep people safe.
His violations of the licence did not cause a danger to others to arise.

[May90]

Yet another thread: "Something happened somewhere - WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!" How are some people so fragile that one sad occurrence makes them want to take action on a federal scale? It's pretty much like those people: "Some Muslims didn't behave on a New Year's eve - DEPORT ALL MUSLIMS, NOW!!!!!!"

Imagine if everything worked like this. You are driving a car. There is a turn to the right, and you went a little bit too far on the right while turning - "I NEED TO TAKE THE WHEEL TO THE LEFT AS FAR AS POSSIBLE AND KEEP IT THERE FOR MINUTES, UNTIL THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED!!!" Wonderful world, isn't it?