Something needs to be done about M+ and its negative impact on the game

[Deleted]

6-7 hours is hardcore now? lol

i wake up open pc and i shut it down when i have to go to sleep. student life is nice.

Dayumm i miss those days (Been 2 years now)
Enjoy it while it lasts.

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EDIT:

Honestly you guys, instead of flaming and insulting me, how about you come up with something coherent and intelligent in response? Instead of "hur dur time played you suck" maybe you should present an alternative viewpoint? Or is that expecting too much?

Tell me what you have against capping M+ runs at let's say 14 a week, that's 2 per day.

holy fuck, to begin with you type that people should "hear you out" and not insult you. and next you try state that people do not have intelligent in responses ETC.

Already on Post 2nd . you got all your answeres needed and the thread could be locked up.

Instead of crying and being butthurt, remove the batteries and get over yourself.


If a player spends more time than you, he should be more awarded than you.

Just because you only can be online few hours a day, doesn't mean we should limit everyone else.


"things to do" I don't do anyting anylonger. i'm about to hit AK 18 and Trait 35. And all i do these days is daily cache thats it.

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Dayumm i miss those days (Been 2 years now)
Enjoy it while it lasts.

I am. I know its a tempoary situation. fully aware.

[ThunderTaco]

Tell me what you have against capping M+ runs at let's say 14 a week, that's 2 per day.[/B]

Well then you have another problem. Most people will always take the easy/fast path, so if they are limited to 14M+, they will search for easy/fast keys, like Maw of Souls. And you will feel frustrated if you get Halls of Valor, because either it's too low level (so low chance of upgrade) or its too risky / dangerous (so chance to just fail the run), so they will be a lot less willing to make HoV or VoW. It's riskier and slower.

So we would get the same complaints we have about the legendaries every week "I got a bad key, so now i can't progress this week, thanks Blizzard !".

[Accendor]

The solution which might please both hardcore and casual players: remove the freakin' warforged/titanforged/socket RNG nonsense from mythic+ loot.
The higher keystone dungeon you do, the better gear you obtain. But at the same time you can't have a 999 titanforged socket leech avoidance speed from a +3 dungeon.
Seems fair to me.

Well, not for me...

[Deleted]

Something needs to be done:

Unhappy people should be grateful for the fun they had and quit.

[Zubacz]

at the mercy of RNG

Think you forgot that part champ

The beauty of RNG is that over time it equalises. In raids it equalises really quickly, so I think my shaman's example is valid. In M+ it takes a while, but over the hudreds of instances my pally ran, I think it's fair to say RNG is only a small factor.
I don't mean the luck with getting GOOD legendaires, that's a problem I won't deny. But a guy who plays 5 hours a week really doesn't need good legendaries nor will he be declined from groups based on the legendary he has.

[anaxie]

The beauty of RNG is that over time it equalises. In raids it equalises really quickly, so I think my shaman's example is valid. In M+ it takes a while, but over the hudreds of instances my pally ran, I think it's fair to say RNG is only a small factor.
I don't mean the luck with getting GOOD legendaires, that's a problem I won't deny. But a guy who plays 5 hours a week really doesn't need good legendaries nor will he be declined from groups based on the legendary he has.

The problem is the RNG means the best stuff comes outside raids.

Progression is luck based not skill based.

Thats cancer

Also seriously fuck pug. Not everyone pugs. I'm talking about progression organized content. the foundation the game was built on.

They threw it all out the window to make the game Diablo. Surely if someone is playing WoW and not Diablo. THEY really are going to love Diablo being forced on them.

Also HUNDREDS of instances? My lord and you still don't acknowledge the issue.

[kamuimac]

Dayumm i miss those days (Been 2 years now)
Enjoy it while it lasts.

hm i wish i had that much time in uni - was spending most of it on learning / internships/ side projects that i was selling to lazy student for $$$ / partying-drinking guess different people have different priorities :P

[anaxie]

Something needs to be done:

Unhappy people should be grateful for the fun they had and quit.

I am and I did

What a constructive post you made

*slow ""impressed"" clap*

[thilicen]

I am and I did

What a constructive post you made

*slow ""impressed"" clap*

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ard-is-amusing!

Yet you're still making whine posts about garrisons and legendaries even to this day. You need to find a fucking hobby.

[anaxie]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ard-is-amusing!

Yet you're still making whine posts about garrisons and legendaries even to this day. You need to find a fucking hobby.

I can only bang so many hookers in a day. I need MMO champ for the downtime.

[Zubacz]

The problem is the RNG means the best stuff comes outside raids.

Progression is luck based not skill based.

Thats cancer

Also seriously fuck pug. Not everyone pugs. I'm talking about progression organized content. the foundation the game was built on.

They threw it all out the window to make the game Diablo. Surely if someone is playing WoW and not Diablo. THEY really are going to love Diablo being forced on them.

Also HUNDREDS of instances? My lord and you still don't acknowledge the issue.

I think you have gone a bit off topic here. I'm trying to prove to the OP that my character who does organised raiding, 5 hours a week (almost no RNG there, over the space of a few weeks) is not that far behind my other character who spammed hundreds of mythics. How does RNG apply here, other than getting good or bad legendaries?

[anaxie]

I think you have gone a bit off topic here. I'm trying to prove to the OP that my character who does organised raiding, 5 hours a week (almost no RNG there, over the space of a few weeks) is not that far behind my other character who spammed hundreds of mythics. How does RNG apply here, other than getting good or bad legendaries?

ilvl means fuck all when lower tiered items and specific trinkets, relics/traits, and stat combos are what matters.

I'd talk about AP but time isn't free.

[Deleted]

I play an hour a day and only pug Heroic raids so you can stop the cryfest now.

I don't exert any control over you so the only person able to stop your cryfest is yourself.

The difference between you and me is I understand my limitations

The difference between me and you is that I'm aware of how Dunning-Kruger works. The difference between you and me is that I don't suck horribly, I'm just kinda decent. The difference between you and me is that I'm not a scrub. Let's talk some more about our differences, it's really awesome.

and I don't feel a need to force everyone else to slow down

I don't feel a need to force a slow down on anyone. If the idea of forcing everyone around to slow down is so strong in your imagination, you need to look for answers with your developmental issues specialists, not on the internet.

because I don't hinge my self-worth around how amazing I think I am in warcraft.

Interestingly specific denial. Keep at it, it's actually quite amusing.

It is time to get over yourself.

It's time to get over yourself, friend. Really, the faster he better. Once you do, you'll be much happier. Your illusion about having done that already is not helping you.

I have been pulled into a mythic raid to shame a mythic raider warlock because I had half the gear and still out damaged them. I don't need to have other people confirm how good I am

You do, otherwise the whole idea wouldn't even show up here. Keep your denial please
BTW this is by far my personal part of your yammerfest: all this BS about not caring and whatever and suddenly a stinky little piece of very vaguely humanoid shit pops up in the very middle, who actually agrees to take part in some shaming game in a MMO you claim to not care about too much. Lovely one.

and I don't need other people to not have anything to do just so I can only show up on raid night.

Some translation from Snowflake to English would be in order here. Or maybe not, your cryfest mostly seems an elaborate form of masturbation, so its intelligibility is not really important.

My personal pride doesn't come from a dps meter or a purple name on gear. My personal pride doesn't stem from warcraft or any video game, it is merely where I spend my free time for enjoyment purposes.

The size of your post and the richness of its bullshit is an extremely strong testament to that heh.

[Deleted]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ard-is-amusing!

Yet you're still making whine posts about garrisons and legendaries even to this day. You need to find a fucking hobby.

Addicition.

Some people turns out to be Nightfallen.

[Deleted]

No thank you. /unsub

Okey, bye then.

[Zubacz]

ilvl means fuck all when lower tiered items and specific trinkets, relics/traits, and stat combos are what matters.

I'd talk about AP but time isn't free.

My shammy is 5/7M, which is decent for 5 hours a week raiding. My pally completed Realm first 15. I know how to gear and what matters. And I think you think it matters a lot more than it really does.

[Deleted]

They threw it all out the window to make the game Diablo. Surely if someone is playing WoW and not Diablo. THEY really are going to love Diablo being forced on them.

I play both. I love D3 RoS. I actually started another season character again recently. From my experience, loving D3 is actually getting in the way of appreciating D3 features that Blizz tried to port to WoW since D3 makes you fully cognizant of how epically they failed.

[anaxie]

Okey, bye then.

Why should I go anywhere my little WoWslave

[Waynhim]

I dont understand why some people need more ilvl or gear; you are not raiding, so what are you progressing into?! Doing wq faster?

To progress in M+'s and the sense of improving ones character which is the essence of RPG's?

Raiding has never been more irrelevant then in Legion. 99% of the playerbase don't care who does Helya, and the like, on Mythic after the initial kill.

The real whiners these days are the minority, the raiders, that can't seem to be able to accept the leveled playing field, which has no bearing on their performance in said raids.