Toxic terms from Hitler’s era trending in Germany

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https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...n-germany.html



This is very very troubling.

I hope Chancellor Merkel clamps down on this in her next term in office. Time to take off the gloves.

Indeed. Very troubling.

[Ravenblade]

Volkish - It's not a bad word.

Völkisch is a term which has originally been introduced by hardline nationalists at the end of the 19th century who started romantizing Germans as some sort of Übermensch, another term which enjoyed popularity. Basically it was all rooted in some mystification of Germanic and ancient German history, to the point of completely distorting historic reality. Especially Wagner, the componist, drew from that.

Politically völkisch nationalists were against a lot of the more modern cultural trends which they blamed the Jews for. The problem was what became of it because eventually, with the development after World War I, it was on decline since WW1 was also a massive destroyer of myths. The Nazis, whose ideology especially the later Rosenberg line was heavily rooted in völkisch nationalism, simply hijacked the movement and expanded on all issues especially antisemitism and Aryanism while abandoning the romanticizing factor by replacing it with fascist ideals and a form of socialism which focused on national character. Hence: national socialism, which is often giving the impression they were a leftist movement. However: Before WW2 socialist ideas existed across all spectra and were not just a leftist thing whereas historically nationalists always were sitting on the right side of the spectrum.

So, given the fact that the term völkisch originally had a semi-religious character first and later was used to expand its meaning into something that ended up as a purely racist ideology: it's an outdated and very negatively connotated word, beyond redemption. It is also not a word which was absolutely missed and had difficulties at being replaced unlike say, the word "Führer".

[Ahovv]

Hopefully not, @Tennisace. I hope they realize freedom is more important than censorship.

[Noradin]

I actually think there was nothing gracefull about it at all. I was quite shocked that of all people, Merkel, the epitome of "first think it through, THEN act" obviously had no grasp on what her initial refugee politics would cause. Even I, a normal guy with no special ties to politics could have told her.
What she does now is nothing more than damage control, probably mostly aimed at her repeated candidacy next year. I see it as no coincidence that her announcement of running again only came after her 180° was well recognized and known.

So she kept to the international treaties Germany signed longer than any other European leaders, and to the rules laid out in the constitution; you are right, what a despicable human being.
How could she try and help Hungary after what they did for Germany right before the reunification, she should have expected them to stab her in the back, obviously, and made them crash and burn, and the same for Greece; humanitarian catastrophes are just what Europe needs right now, especially Greece which has way to much money to throw around already.

[ati87]

We're at the point where people are "Nazis" if they don't want to invite people into their country who are actively opposed to German culture and western ideals. Authoritarianism is active, as they say, but it's from the left.

No you aren't nazi's because you against immigration

You're nazi because of the racial arguments you use that comes directly from the playbook of Joseph Goebbels. The disgusting argument of calling yourself superior or keeping your ''race pure and clean'' is exactly the crap that Nazi's used to justify their racisme.

Any discussion that has some sort of politics, however small, in it eventually turns racial when you lot involve yourself.

Discussion about the EU in general turns racial
Discussion about the Electoral College turns racial
hell even a bloody meme of a frog turns racial when you lot involve yourself.

Don't play innocent, the only ones that opposes ''western values'' is you lot who are against any form of freedom

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I actually think there was nothing gracefull about it at all. I was quite shocked that of all people, Merkel, the epitome of "first think it through, THEN act" obviously had no grasp on what her initial refugee politics would cause. Even I, a normal guy with no special ties to politics could have told her.
What she does now is nothing more than damage control, probably mostly aimed at her repeated candidacy next year. I see it as no coincidence that her announcement of running again only came after her 180° was well recognized and known.

Some may call it being a leaf in the wind, I call it being a rusty squeaky iron door in a storm. But at no point had I the feeling that she really knew how badly this chapter really went, and even less of what the current political climate is at the "base".

Your naïeve thinking that putting up actually walls when people are running away from warzones would have helped.

You want refugees to stop coming? Solution is actually really really simpel. Stop starting bloody messy and idiotic wars.

Don't say on 1 hand ''lets bomb Iran'' and then next complain about why you have refugees from the ME. You neo-cons in general are the cause of the mess that is the ME.

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When I said society has shifted, I meant to the right, of course. Otherwise that sentence doesn't make sense.

It still does - Regardless, there is a 20% of the population who would like a right leaning alternative to vote for.

And völkisch is a bad word. It's bad because of its historic context, and it's bad because it's a bad descriptive term. What is völkisch? Literally translated, it means populistic.

Well this could just be my bad german haunting me, but to me, Volkish, means 'Folksy' or 'Folkligt' (if the swedish term means anything to you).

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So she kept to the international treaties Germany signed longer than any other European leaders, and to the rules laid out in the constitution; you are right, what a despicable human being.

No she didn't.
The German constitution does not say a word about refugees outside of Germany.
Her relaxation of the Dublin accords put a match to the whole situation and made it worse.

How could she try and help Hungary after what they did for Germany right before the reunification, she should have expected them to stab her in the back, obviously, and made them crash and burn, and the same for Greece; humanitarian catastrophes are just what Europe needs right now, especially Greece which has way to much money to throw around already.

Then she should have helped Hungary build their fence, not browbeat them for building it.

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Your naïeve thinking that putting up actually walls when people are running away from warzones would have helped.

Is turkey a warzone?

You want refugees to stop coming? Solution is actually really really simpel. Stop starting bloody messy and idiotic wars.

What war is there in Eritrea? (none).
What war did the west start in Somalia? (none).
There would be 'refugees' in the most peaceful of worlds, because of economical differences alone.

[Ravenblade]

Well this could just be my bad german haunting me, but to me, Volkish, means 'Folksy' or 'Folkligt' (if the swedish term means anything to you).

It's difficult to translate hence why it is largely untranslated even in English literature. It comes with its own cultural connotations which it doesn't have in other cultures. Similar to words like leitmotiv, weltanschauung, gedankenexperiment, realpolitik and gestalt. Translation is possible but it loses some of its inherent cultural attributes they were born and formed with. As I have mentioned before: Völkisch had a very pathos-filled meaning in the beginning where Germans and German culture were revered at almost religious level, when the myth of moral indestructibility and uniqueness of the German culture suffered heavy blows during WW1 the term became quite a fringe term and mostly only retained its negative connotations it came with. Very archaic, anti-monarchistic in nature, with heavily charged racial motifs and languages and after WW2 its remaining attributes had nothing in common with the romantic views of Johann Gottlieb Fichte. For the most time of its existence it had been a negative. In comparison the word folksy is rather a joyful and happy one, it doesn't carry the slightest amount of pathos.

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Relevant: http://www.slideshare.net/IpsosMORI/...016-ipsos-mori

There is no invasion.

Heyy my country did best on that,.. and while I did find it very informative I'm going to have to disagree with you. Ignoring the fact that for 'some mysterious reason' (read: they complain about everything not like them, even though they're guests here) a much fewer amount of people than most people think can cause such a societal ruckus.

I know it's hyperbole, and I am aware that over the full population of europe the millions of immigrants wont be more than a .5% difference, but nevertheless. Societal values are being challenged by these predominately male (73%) groups of young middle eastern muslims, and none for the better... that's a rather poor deal when A. we didnt cause the problems in the middle east (depending on the observer they'd tell you it's any of the world powers or islamic culture) and B. they will contribute little to society (I'm not referring to war refugees here obviously, those we should always shelter.. imo closer to their home country as they will be needed to rebuild said country when the war is over) but definetly referring to the luck seekers from morocco and sub saharan countries.

anyway i'll leave you with some videos that you will surely do away as populistic fear mongering or dismiss as irrelevant but this is what happens in the real world.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...er-fence-ceuta