Ariana Grande speaks out about objectification after fan encounter

[Deleted]

You need help btw. Your paranoia will most likely drive anyone you love away from you.

Winter is almost here. We live in a very evil world.

You be soft and kind in a world where only the strongest survive.

Good fucking luck.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

An insult. You really are like me.

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Maybe you need to see the emotional damage rape can do. Have you ever seen suicidal depression before? A girl I know is afraid to sleep with someone in her own bed.

So forgive me if I won't take any fucking risks.

You are a better man than this.

This isn't about rape though. Thats why people are arguing with you. Someone making a rude comment =/= rape. There is no risk. The dude is socially inept, not a rapist or a predator.

[Deleted]

She is doing what she is asking to not be done? She is trying to get people to do business during non-business hours?

She twists an event of someone being an asshole, into a political issue to garner favor.

Person A, disrespects her. She twists this into being an issue that affects all women, and should be brought to light - whilst contradicting herself in expectation and action, once more - With stating that "She was damaged and really quiet", yet goes out of her way to talk about the issue on her Twitter and acting as per the script of being "a victim".

Let's be real - How much do you think, the wording, of someone "doing" her, affects her, if she can stand on stage, in front of millions, waving her ass, having built a career, knowing damn well what she refers to?

It's almost like the matter of fact that someone dared do the action per say, was the offense, not the words - Which, again ; is a dishonest behaviour. Because "Workhours" or not, she does not equate to having special rights just because of her gender nor because of an isolated incident - Nor does it indicate, that she MAKES such a distinction ; because like stated, she talks about it in her free time.

A personal agenda, something she went out of her way to do, instead of just keeping it to work.

I can't see how she would be anything but dishonest, in that prospect.

[THE Bigzoman]

If someone said something like that to my SO, I would take it as a compliment. They know nothing about you except for what they see, and their judgement is that you have the power of physical attraction over others. How is this an insult?

Objectification is not a problem. If you are ONLY being objectified by everyone you meet, then maybe you should offer something else to others, besides your physical appearance.

Clearly a foreign concept.

If everyone only sees you for how attractive you are, you aren't making your other traits known.

SOunds like a personal problem.

[Deleted]

This isn't about rape though. Thats why people are arguing with you. Someone making a rude comment =/= rape. There is no risk. The dude is socially inept, not a rapist or a predator.

See through the eyes of a woman.

They can't defend themselves like we can. So they have reason to be extra vigilant. The consequences of not being vigilant can be fatal.

You might not see in terms of extremes, but things can certainly lead there. See everything, not merely the here and now.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

See through the eyes of a woman.

They can't defend themselves like we can. So they have reason to be extra vigilant. The consequences of not being vigilant can be fatal.

You might not see in terms of extremes, but things can certainly lead there. See everything, not merely the here and now.

No, I don't see everything in extremes, because that is insane.

[Halicia]

See through the eyes of a woman.

They can't defend themselves like we can.

That's about as sexist a mindset as you can get there.

Self-defense is gender-neutral.

[Deleted]

No, I don't see everything in extremes, because that is insane.

The winners at life do. I suggest you learn from them.

They explore every possible option, and even hurt the ones they once loved by using their trust against them.

Kind loyal people always have friends. We are right here.

[Glorious Leader]

Dressing sexy != sex object

More broadly the fantasy of ariana grande is not the same as the actual ariana grande.

[Evangeliste]

This kind of thing is so fucking double standards its actually ridiculously funny.

"So baby, come light me up and maybe I'll let you on it
A little bit dangerous, but baby, that's how I want it
A little less conversation, and a little more touch my body
Cause I’m so into you, into you, into you"

Complains about being a 'piece of meat' to satisfy a sexual need and pleasure then sings about it which openly encourages the act because you're attracted to them.

Oh this bad boy of a song "Boyfriend material".
"Now I've been looking for someone
Trying to find the right boy to wear on my arm
I must admit it
You simply fit it
You were like a cut above the rest, that's why you're winning (hey)".

I'm sure on many occasions that having a woman just to be worn on a man's arm is a complete objectification of them, but apparently it doesn't equal the same? And all I had to do to find these lyrics because I don't listen to them, is to use google.

I don't get why she doesn't want to suffer an ideal yet uses it as a means to make a living and promote it without using self-awareness to consciously go ...hang on? This potentially may cause this to happen.

[Deleted]

And which part of her behaviour is inconsistent?

"Person A, disrespects her. She twists this into being an issue that affects all women, and should be brought to light - whilst contradicting herself in expectation and action, once more - With stating that "She was damaged and really quiet", yet goes out of her way to talk about the issue on her Twitter and acting as per the script of being "a victim"."

When her whole career is built on shaking her ass and singing about such, in front of millions of people.

It's a pretty obvious "lie" (read: Dishonest move), really. "I can shake my ass in front of millions, but one person disrespecting me, by saying someone would sleep with me?!".

Or perhaps you are naive, and believe that she lacks the critical thought of self-awareness in terms of her position and situation? She'd never seek a interview with it, not make it political, unless she understood that it's a hotbutton political issue.

[Total Crica]

If someone said something like that to my SO, I would take it as a compliment. They know nothing about you except for what they see, and their judgement is that you have the power of physical attraction over others. How is this an insult?

Objectification is not a problem. If you are ONLY being objectified by everyone you meet, then maybe you should offer something else to others, besides your physical appearance.

And if you don't know how to offer anything beyond what others see? And if others don't know how to see anything else you offer? It's a bit more complicated then what you make of it, but it's useful to those of us that are only capable of using what you are only capable to make of it.

[Deleted]

The reasons for the contradictions are obvious, but not politically correct to talk about

It's evolutionary biology folks

"Objectification" is a term used to mask an inconvenient truth

People who actually believe in "objectification" as some kind of systemic dehumanisation are really, really stupid - so stupid that they don't even realise it, and probably never will

[Kithelle]

See through the eyes of a woman.

They can't defend themselves like we can. So they have reason to be extra vigilant. The consequences of not being vigilant can be fatal.

You might not see in terms of extremes, but things can certainly lead there. See everything, not merely the here and now.

They can't...so you're basically calling women inferior to men? Not a lot of He-Men raping women (at least from what I've seen), mostly desperate guys who can't control themselves...

They can learn to defend themselves or carry something for protection...it's not like this guy tried to grab her...it's just words...people are so over-sensitive or use the over-sensitive PC crowd this world is growing into as a excuse to point the finger and bring attention to themselves.

[Glorious Leader]

Aah, I see! You're lying and making shit up.

It's the dehumanisation and objectification.
A woman stays a human being.
No matter how short her skirt is, how high her heels are, or how much she shakes with her ass, she is NOT a fleshlight.
She is not an object to stick your penis in.
She is not a "thing" you can tap.

If you want to tell your friend you'd "tap that ass" about a woman walking 50 meters from you, fine.
But don't talk about her as an object when you're right next to her. You don't treat people like that.

Well i mean he can if he wants to but he shouldnt expect her to like it and he shouldnt expect that speech to be free of consequence.

[Evangeliste]

If you want to tell your friend you'd "tap that ass" about a woman walking 50 meters from you, fine.
But don't talk about her as an object when you're right next to her. You don't treat people like that.

I'm not sure how objectifying her to just a piece of ass is suddenly not boiling her down to... "an object you stick your penis in" as you said because she's not near you. Your statements seemingly contradict there.
Attitudes are not going to change about a stranger just because their proximity to us. It changes when we bond.

But at the end she's a hypocrite when she sings about objectifying men.

[Deleted]

Aah, I see! You're lying and making shit up.

It's the dehumanisation and objectification.
A woman stays a human being.
No matter how short her skirt is, how high her heels are, or how much she shakes with her ass, she is NOT a fleshlight.
She is not an object to stick your penis in.
She is not a "thing" you can tap.

If you want to tell your friend you'd "tap that ass" about a woman walking 50 meters from you, fine.
But don't talk about her as an object when you're right next to her. You don't treat people like that.

Then she should follow that standard herself, first.

After all, she made a living singing about Objectification and living the role of it. Making money of the concept.

Or maybe you really believe that she is a divine being? Could you be that dense?

[Deleted]

They can't...so you're basically calling women inferior to men? :

Different.

Nice bait btw.

[drakensoul]

But at the end she's a hypocrite when she sings about objectifying men.

To be fair I doubt she's written a single line of any of her songs alone. And I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even know what the meaning is for some of them. I mean she's sang them thousands of times so she knows the word-by-word lyrics, but that's her job.

Her job is really not that dissimilar to an adult dancer. They fill a niche created by sexual desire (by either men or women). But when they're off the clock, treating them like they're a 24/7 porn-star or dancer or risque singer is... well, kind of stupid. Like, something a stupid person would do because he or she doesn't realize that they're just doing a job.

Objectifying men and women exists and is profitable. If it didn't, sexuality wouldn't be something you can sell (modeling, porn, dancing, etc). And she sells objectification paraphernalia (at a lower level than a porn-star, but still all the same). But when she's walking down the street, she's insulted that someone would tie her, personally, into one of the things they (the consumers of said material) have objectified.

She should take solace in the fact that the person who did that is probably, at some level, fairly mentally vapid. But raging against the very nature of human sexuality when such a large part of it is so publically trade-able isn't very omniscient of her either.

[Deleted]

Sexualisation is not the same as objectification or dehumanisation.
I prefer to have sex with human beings, not objects.. Perhaps you have a different taste

You call someone a liar, resort to semantics in about two posts, and compensate your lack of arguments with cheap strawmen insults.

Cute. You should look into reading the actual post and discussion.