The Bundys to Stand Up For Americans Again!!

[Orlong]

If you live a sheltered life maybe it is tyranny but when you have somali warlords and dictators around each corner.. a little land-preservation really isn't tyranny in the grand scheme of things, certainly not a valid reason to threaten to shoot people.

Of course there aren't any warlords or dictators in America but my point is that this really isn't tyranny, certainly not the kind of tyranny that the right to bear arms is meant to protect against.

hes grabbed over 3 million acres since becoming President. 3 million acres is a little land????

[Garnier Fructis]

The government grabbing all public land and forbidding anyone from doing anything on it is not tyranny???

To be clear, by 'preventing anyone from doing anything' you really mean preventing oil companies from exploring for fossil fuels. Because the only other people that use these places are sightseers or tribal members, neither of which will be impacted one bit.

[Nekosom]

Once again, Obama twists a law allowing Presidents to designate monuments to grab another 300,000 acres of land in Nevada and 1.3 million acres in Utah, as well as the previous huge swath of the arctic ocean and prevent Americans from partaking in its use (Its a thinly veiled attempt to hijack land to shield it for environmentalist reasons). Land is NOT a monument. If he wants to preserve it then he can have congress designate it as a national park. A monument would be a statue or building.

This is NOT what the law was made for (going around congress and the people because Obama cant get his way), and I for one that the Bundys are willing to stand up to him.

http://www.vocativ.com/388230/bundy-...bama-monument/

A National Monument is simply a place of historical importance. Whether it be a statue, building, or land. This is how it is defined by law. If the law wasn't intended to be used for such a purpose, then it should be worded differently. If these gentlemen don't like it, they should write their congressmen to have the law changed. That's how civilized societies function. Wannabe cowboys throwing fits isn't just counter-productive, but by definition of the law, traitorous. I don't know when siding with traitors suddenly became acceptable in the United States, but it certainly is informative regarding the state of this nation.

[Kaleredar]

The government grabbing all public land and forbidding anyone from doing anything on it is not tyranny???

Yep them turning the Arctic into a preserve is sure gonna prevent those poor, blue collar workers from pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps by building their own start-up oil deep sea companies.


Make no mistake. This is to prevent a corporate landgrab of public lands from being sold off and turned into wastelands.

By turning them into national parks and preserves, they can ensure they're actually available for public use and enjoyment, rather than being fenced off as trump attempts to sell chunks of the nation off to the highest bidder.

[Santti]

Disappointing!

I wanted it to be Al Bundy instead. I can imagine him being in the scene right now.

[Bdatik]

hes grabbed over 3 million acres since becoming President. 3 million acres is a little land????

Isn't 3 million acres about 0.15% of the total US land, excluding Alaska?

[Orlong]

To be clear, by 'preventing anyone from doing anything' you really mean preventing oil companies from exploring for fossil fuels. Because the only other people that use these places are sightseers or tribal members, neither of which will be impacted one bit.

And campers, hikers, geologists, hunters, dirt bike/ATV riders, snowmobile riders, treasure hunters, bird watchers, horseback riders, and many more types of people

[Kaleredar]

A National Monument is simply a place of historical importance. Whether it be a statue, building, or land. This is how it is defined by law. If the law wasn't intended to be used for such a purpose, then it should be worded differently. If these gentlemen don't like it, they should write their congressmen to have the law changed. That's how civilized societies function. Wannabe cowboys throwing fits isn't just counter-productive, but by definition of the law, traitorous. I don't know when siding with traitors suddenly became acceptable in the United States, but it certainly is informative regarding the state of this nation.

A chunk of the United States still lauds the flag of a bundle of states that wanted to leave the union as being "American" and "Their heritage."

[Orlong]

A National Monument is simply a place of historical importance. Whether it be a statue, building, or land. This is how it is defined by law. If the law wasn't intended to be used for such a purpose, then it should be worded differently. If these gentlemen don't like it, they should write their congressmen to have the law changed. That's how civilized societies function. Wannabe cowboys throwing fits isn't just counter-productive, but by definition of the law, traitorous. I don't know when siding with traitors suddenly became acceptable in the United States, but it certainly is informative regarding the state of this nation.

A traitor isnt someone who fights back at government overreach and tyranny. A traitor is someone who actively fights against their country in the name of another nation

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Isn't 3 million acres about 0.15% of the total US land, excluding Alaska?

Its a much larger percentage of the land not owned by private people and /or used for something else already

[Orbitus]

And campers, hikers, geologists, hunters, dirt bike/ATV riders, snowmobile riders, treasure hunters, bird watchers, horseback riders, and many more types of people

Funny, you can still do all of that you stated, you just can't tear up the land. And they can't run oil pipeline through it or drill on it. Everything you listed there is available still. Please Orlong, pull your head out of Trump's ass and check things before you spout off on misinformation.

[Garnier Fructis]

hes grabbed over 3 million acres since becoming President. 3 million acres is a little land????

That's 1/thousandth of a percent of the total land in the U.S. And it's also pretty small compared to what past presidents have done. Reagan designated at least 3 times that amount for preservation.

No matter how you slice and dice it, it's a small figure. That is, assuming you even quoted me a correct figure.

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And campers, hikers, geologists, hunters, dirt bike/ATV riders, snowmobile riders, treasure hunters, bird watchers, horseback riders, and many more types of people

You know you're adding to my list of people that won't be affected, right? Except maybe ATV and snowmobile riders.

[Orlong]

Funny, you can still do all of that you stated, you just can't tear up the land. And they can't run oil pipeline through it or drill on it. Everything you listed there is available still. Please Orlong, pull your head out of Trump's ass and check things before you spout off on misinformation.

Not any longer now that its a "monument", just like you cant set up a tent and have a bonfire on the National mall, or ride a horse around the Lincoln Memorial, and just try riding an ATV through Gettysburg Battlefields

[Kaleredar]

That's 1/thousandth of a percent of the total land in the U.S. And it's also pretty small compared to what past presidents have done. Reagan designated at least 3 times that amount for preservation.

No matter how you slice and dice it, it's a small figure. That is, assuming you even quoted me a correct figure.

But you see that was good, wholesome l, American preservation. Not this liberal, Kenyan socialist preservation.

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Not any longer now that its a "monument"

You have any source on what you can and can't do in a national monument? Because you seem to have absolutely no idea.


Funny, I don't remember them putting up a giant fence around the Grand Canyon.

[Donald Hellscream]

hes grabbed over 3 million acres since becoming President. 3 million acres is a little land????

in 2012 there was just over 914,5 million acres of farmland in the US, so by comparison 3 million acres really isn't much in the grand scheme of things.

The number is likely lower today but not so low that 3 million acres is all that much compared to the amount of farmland within the US.

Also explain why preservation is bad, I assume its because it prevents corporations from stripping areas bare of natural resources and leave behind a desolate wasteland, because that is what will happen eventually once every ounce of natural resource has been stripped away.

[darkwarrior42]

Not any longer now that its a "monument", just like you cant set up a tent and have a bonfire on the National mall, or ride a horse around the Lincoln Memorial, and just try riding an ATV through Gettysburg Battlefields

Given the obvious bias you display, I trust you'll forgive those of us not looking to bash Obama and glorify Trump at every turn for not taking you at your word.

[Orlong]

in 2012 there was just over 914,5 million acres of farmland in the US, so by comparison 3 million acres really isn't much in the grand scheme of things.

The number is likely lower today but not so low that 3 million acres is all that much compared to the amount of farmland within the US.

But farmland is land privately owned by farmers. Its not land that we the People can use for hobbies, adventures, entertainment, and leisure. The amount of government owned land that is available for the public to use is getting smaller and smaller. Soon there will be nothing left for us to use

[Bdatik]

Not any longer now that its a "monument", just like you cant set up a tent and have a bonfire on the National mall

I don't think this is true.

List of "National Monuments"

#1 is Devil's Tower. Which has campgrounds.
#2 is El Morro. Which has campgrounds.
#4 is Petrified Forest. Which allows camping.
Etc.

[Stormspellz]

How un-American of you Orlong. Wouldn't expect any less from you.

Welcome to Trumpland, where facts aren't welcome but crazy is.

[GodlyBob]

But farmland is land privately owned by farmers. Its not land that we the People can use for hobbies, adventures, entertainment, and leisure. The amount of government owned land that is available for the public to use is getting smaller and smaller. Soon there will be nothing left for us to use

Hurray capitalism?

[Donald Hellscream]

But farmland is land privately owned by farmers. Its not land that we the People can use for hobbies, adventures, entertainment, and leisure. The amount of government owned land that is available for the public to use is getting smaller and smaller. Soon there will be nothing left for us to use

Okay how about this, the total landmass of the US in acres is just over 2,2 billion. There are plenty of area still left to exploit and strip bare.

Seriously just because something is preserved doesn't mean its inaccessible.. It just means you can't fuck with it how you see fit.