The Zerg Swarm vs The Burning Legion. Who would win?

[FelPlague]

Nevermind the fact that Sargeras is always trying to increase the size of the Legion, something that would be nonsensical if it was already infinite. Nevermind that they are consistent, even with a 5 year development gap. What evidence have you provided other than confusing demons with the Legion?


So a year ago, before Archimonde died?

archimonde isnt dead yet, if you remember the archimonde thing has not been decided on yet if he is dead or alive
for a huge lore junkie you seem to forget that :P

because the cinematic shows him dying outside of the twisting nether, but the mythic fight has you in the nether, so for now we dont know if hes dead/alive
(but knowing blizz they will choose for him to be alive, to have a archi/killjaden 2 boss fight of epicness)

also with both legion and warlords we havent see nthe full power of the legion
also gotta remember legion may overall have less units, but the strength of those units is what causes the strength

sargeras, strong enough to split planets is still "one" unit
infernals, as big as sky scrappers are still "one unit" and massive fel reavers, and legion space ships

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how good can felsteel really be if it doesn't protect you from a sword.

seriously the difference between the power of these armies is orders of magnitude. even real life armies could stand their ground against the legion untill the super powerfull lore characters get involved.

its a magic sword you seem to forget, and a VERY strong magic sword at that :P

[-Zait-]

Burning Legion is infinite, Zerg is almost infinite, but not quite. Also Sargaras is a God more or less and can shatter planets.

[TheFirstOnes]

Nevermind the fact that Sargeras is always trying to increase the size of the Legion, something that would be nonsensical if it was already infinite. Nevermind that they are consistent, even with a 5 year development gap. What evidence have you provided other than confusing demons with the Legion?


So a year ago, before Archimonde died?

He wanted to Expand the legion so that they could have more military power, not o they could gain more numbers. The demons were INVINCIBLE in numbers, but they lacked Military Expansion. Not even sargeras could lead the demons like such forever. Not to mention the fact that they recuit demons for more secrets about their magics, and the fact that they need their intelligence for more destruction across the universe.

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"Regular fire" like antimatter blasts and hypersonic depleted uranium spikes? Ultralisks can survive nukes.

Demons get taken out by bows and arrows.


I forgot about this:

How about The Lich King vs Queen of Blades?
Queen. I think the Swarm would make short work of the Scourge. (ChrisMetzen)

Scourge were the Legion's trump card against humanity.

The Scourge were only created to make quick destractions against the mortals, so that they could summon archimonde, and the legion into the world. However, Ner'zhul had other plans, and betrayed them. Archimonde didn't have a problem, and was able to make QUICK work of dalaran. He SLAMMED the 3 mortal races armies at full might, and had to get taken out by a MASSIVE ass spell, with archimonde's cockyness being his doom. Must I mention the fact that KJ recruited Illidan, just to destroy the LK? He failed because he was fooling around with the night elves, and if KJ wanted to, he could've EASILY destroyed the LK himself. Infact, he would've flipped an finger, and he'd die...

Must I mention the fact that an eredar was able to destroy a planet with a spell?

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In wow, warriors are similar in power to their caster counterparts. A "legendary" Warrior like grommash could almost defeat a "legendary mage" like gul dan. It was even shown in the films that Durotan almost bested the fel infused Gul dan.

Zerglings would absolutely shred Warriors in wow. Scaled over into another universse, each zergling could be a raidboss. How many marines could grommash really take out, none?

The argument of course is "Magic", but even that seems to have its limit

You tend to Fanboy over Starcrafts BS. Varian WOULD be able to defeat zerglings easily, because of hi demi-god blades. And I would Assume that Maraad would beat a few ton of marines.

And If AMON is as powerful as he's said to be, then add sargeras there, and he'd be nothing more than ash....

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All I've seen so far, was that the zerg swam goes all across the galaxy, only having the POTENTIAL to be a universal thread, as I'm looking at the wiki.


Meanwhile, you have Archimonde's Hatred Unbound, which talks about how Archimonde was able to destroy countless world's across the infinity of universe's....kk?

[Gurluas]

Remember how Abathur created the Butcherlisk in the Nexus after studying the Butcher?
Expect such things to happen a lot, the Zerg would assimilate the Demons and create new breeds.

The only way the Legion would win is if it was against Feral zerg (My assumption is they're led by someone, either the Overmind, Kerrigan or the Cerebrates)
Or if Sargeras joins in.

[Deleted]

You tend to Fanboy over Starcrafts BS. Varian WOULD be able to defeat zerglings easily, because of hi demi-god blades. And I would Assume that Maraad would beat a few ton of marines.

And If AMON is as powerful as he's said to be, then add sargeras there, and he'd be nothing more than ash....

Nothing fanboy about that. how you describe Varian puts him about equal to a zealot, but Varian is a elite figher in wow, but a zealot is a footsoldier. Maraad can't defeat marines, look how easy Blackhand killed him, now imagine the kinetic energy a marine rifle has, and even if he comes close they are wearing fucking power armor, people in wow have trouble beating gnomish armor suits.

if anything it's the people in favor of the legion that are fanboying and just flat out ignore the fact that sci fi will almost by default wtfpwn fantasy.

[Snes]

If you include Sargeras, who can cut planets up with a giant sword, then there's no competition.

[TheFirstOnes]

Nothing fanboy about that. how you describe Varian puts him about equal to a zealot, but Varian is a elite figher in wow, but a zealot is a footsoldier. Maraad can't defeat marines, look how easy Blackhand killed him, now imagine the kinetic a marine rifle has, and even if he comes close they are wearing fucking power armor, people in wow have trouble beating gnomish armor suits.

if anything it's the people in favor of the legion that are fanboying and just flat out ignore the fact that sci fi will almost by default wtfpwn fantasy.

There are ALOT of things that make WOW fantasy-like. Hunter's have Guns, Magic Infused Bows, Titan-Powered Weapons, and so forth.

And a Zealot Seems and acts like an Empowered Wrath-guard with Lazer like weapons. Idk. You could put a few crusaders in the army of light, be infused by Lorthaxions power, and go fight another few zealots..

It's not that hard to match em anymore. I could understand as to why you think the legion would win during MOP, or around cataclysm times. But, with the whole army of light bullshit, and the fact that blizzard is leaning ALOT towards the sci-fi ideals, and the multiversal might of gods, we're likely going to top zealots at least around 7.2 or so...

[Deleted]

If you include Sargeras, who can cut planets up with a giant sword, then there's no competition.

Why not? A lot of people say this as if killing a planet is a big deal, but that stuff happens all the time in starcraft. not to mention zerg do not require a planet to fight. and are a lot better at space travel and navigation then the legion is.

worst case scenario they just avoid sargeras. best case scenario sargeras is vulnerable to planet killing weapons himself.

[Deleted]

If burning legion has Sargeras, the zerg have Amon.

[TheFirstOnes]

Why not? A lot of people say this as if killing a planet is a big deal, but that stuff happens all the time in starcraft. not to mention zerg do not require a planet to fight. and are a lot better at space travel and navigation then the legion is.

worst case scenario they just avoid sargeras. best case scenario sargeras is vulnerable to planet killing weapons himself.

Here's the thing though. To Sargeras, cleaving a planet is like Chopping a 1 Centimeter piece of wood. It's easily, and costs zero effort, considering that he's a planet himself. Remember, his physical appearance is claded with star-dust, and so forth. His battle with the pantheon carried forth destruction of stars, and more. He created, and destroyed a pocket dimension for his enslaved demons. He was able to break forth the third dimension, AKA tearing reality FOREVER!

But, as of now. We don't know how much more power sargeras has gained since then. He might be even STRONGER than before, gaining all of these knowledges from different worlds, planets, and more. Maybe he absorbed the powers of his fallen breatheren, no one knows...

[Kaleredar]

how good can felsteel really be if it doesn't protect you from a sword.

seriously the difference between the power of these armies is orders of magnitude. even real life armies could stand their ground against the legion untill the super powerfull lore characters get involved.

A bunch of space rednecks holds its own against the zerg.

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Why not? A lot of people say this as if killing a planet is a big deal, but that stuff happens all the time in starcraft. not to mention zerg do not require a planet to fight. and are a lot better at space travel and navigation then the legion is.

worst case scenario they just avoid sargeras. best case scenario sargeras is vulnerable to planet killing weapons himself.

The legion don't need to "space travel" at all. They can summon portals.


How adept are the Zerg at channeling the magics required to seal portals?

[Daws001]

[COLOR="#800080"]Note: (Disregard the Twisting Nether, the demons will die and not return once they've been vanquished.)

Don't disregard it. The Zerg can totally assimilate that bit of immortality.

I give it to the Zerg cause I'm bored with the Burning Legion. I see the Zerg adapting to all things fel and whatnot. Demon Zerg strains? Hopped up on fel energy? RIP Burning Legions.

[Deleted]

Here's the thing though. To Sargeras, cleaving a planet is like Chopping a 1 Centimeter piece of wood. It's easily, and costs zero effort, considering that he's a planet himself. Remember, his physical appearance is claded with star-dust, and so forth. His battle with the pantheon carried forth destruction of stars, and more. He created, and destroyed a pocket dimension for his enslaved demons. He was able to break forth the third dimension, AKA tearing reality FOREVER!

But, as of now. We don't know how much more power sargeras has gained since then. He might be even STRONGER than before, gaining all of these knowledges from different worlds, planets, and more. Maybe he absorbed the powers of his fallen breatheren, no one knows...

oh no doubt, he can kill a planet fast. But it's also been established beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is super slow in space travel terms and sucks at directions. not a big deal if he kills one solar system every couple thousand of years.

and yes, like you said, he is basically a planet, and as such there is a good chance he is vulnerable to planet killing weapons, something which he has never has been up against. (though admittedly the zerg don't really have those)

it really kinda says it all: the absolute strongest the legion has is a immobile planet killer, an annoyance at best.

[Aquamonkey]

archimonde isnt dead yet, if you remember the archimonde thing has not been decided on yet if he is dead or alive
for a huge lore junkie you seem to forget that :P

because the cinematic shows him dying outside of the twisting nether, but the mythic fight has you in the nether, so for now we dont know if hes dead/alive

He is dead. They may change it in the future, but he's dead ATM.

infernals, as big as sky scrappers are still "one unit" and massive fel reavers, and legion space ships

Zerg have ultralisks and leviathans.

Burning Legion is infinite, Zerg is almost infinite, but not quite. Also Sargaras is a God more or less and can shatter planets.

Demons are infinite, the Legion isn't (millions). Zerg (tens of billions) outnumber Legion 10,000 to 1.

He wanted to Expand the legion so that they could have more military power, not o they could gain more numbers. The demons were INVINCIBLE in numbers, but they lacked Military Expansion. Not even sargeras could lead the demons like such forever. Not to mention the fact that they recuit demons for more secrets about their magics, and the fact that they need their intelligence for more destruction across the universe.

KJ's job was to increase the ranks of the Legion. Sargeras didn't just coerce the demons trapped in Mardum and get the eredar to be lieutenants, he created tons of new demons.

To carry out his plan, he created the Legion, whose ranks he bolstered by creating demons: immortal creatures whose hunger, power, and malice made them perfect killing machines. As a result, the Legion has grown immense and consumed countless worlds. (WC Encyclopedia)

The Legion is not infinite.

The Scourge were only created to make quick destractions against the mortals, so that they could summon archimonde, and the legion into the world. However, Ner'zhul had other plans, and betrayed them.

"When the time was right, Kil'jaeden explained the mission for which he had created the Lich King. Ner'zhul was to spread a plague of death and terror across Azeroth that would snuff out human civilization forever. All those who died from the dreaded plague would arise as the undead, and their spirits would be bound to Ner'zhul's iron will forever. Kil'jaeden promised that if Ner'zhul accomplished his dark mission of scouring humanity from the world, he would be freed from his curse and granted a new, healthy body to inhabit."

Archimonde didn't have a problem, and was able to make QUICK work of dalaran. He SLAMMED the 3 mortal races armies at full might, and had to get taken out by a MASSIVE ass spell, with archimonde's cockyness being his doom. Must I mention the fact that KJ recruited Illidan, just to destroy the LK? He failed because he was fooling around with the night elves, and if KJ wanted to, he could've EASILY destroyed the LK himself. Infact, he would've flipped an finger, and he'd die...

And then a group of adventurers killed Archimonde in WoD.

[caelestum]

Let's see, if the Zergs and the Legion start a fight at their prime it should be in any of the planets where the Zerg's full army is located (Don't know much about SC lore I'm using the info you have posted) and the Legion has a portal big enough so Sargeras and his full army has access to this planet...

As I have read the Zergs indeed are resistant/inmune to any physical weapon atleast any physical weapon of WoW universe so any strike from melee demons is futile...

But the Zergs are Biological beings... They are Alive, the Legion's Fel Magic feeds on the life force... Let's say at first the Legion uses melee demons such as Felguards, Manahounds, etc... The Zergs devours all them after a while and then the Legion uses the Nathrezim, Doomguards and Eredars to syphon the life force of the Zergs, and I doubt the Zergs chitin repels Fel Magic, and before you use the "evolve card".

Ok let's say that as the Orcs drank from Mannoroth's blood and became stronger the Zergs drank from the blood of the demons they killed, that doesn't mean that they can develop Fel Inmunity... Why? Because they are still LIVING/ORGANIC beings, corrupted but organic at last and don't forget what happen to non-racional being that are corrupted with fel they succumb to their primal instincts at least meanwhile their bodies are being corrupted by the Fel Energies and go full berserk attacking anything in their sight just like the Fel Boar in the Demonic Contamination Quest in Outlands (http://www.wowhead.com/quest=9372/demonic-contamination) and at this point I really doubt the Overmind would be able to control them.

The battle would last A LOT since it seems that the Zergs have a stimated population of Billions while the Legion have Millions, but the Demons can comeback since the can respawn in the Twisted Nether and go again through the portal to the planet, In this case eventually the Zergs will die more quickly than they can reproduce even if they managed to do it eventually they will run out of resources, I mean... they need something to feed on... And they probably would learn that eating the Demons corpses would corrupt them so they are not going to be able to feed on demons.

If Sargeras doesn't manifest the battle would be long as hell but eventually the Zergs are going to lose because the are not going to be able to sustain the forces forever...

The only way that I could see the Zergs winning is if the managed to enter in the portal and kill the demons inside the Twisting Nether or Argus (Since is a place heavily in contact with the Twisting Nether) and by that moment I suppose Sargeras would command to close the portal or just slice the planet in two...

If I understand well without a Overmind the Zergs would lose control of their armies no matter where in the planet the Overmind is hidden Sargeras would simple destroy the planet and even if the Overmind survived the explosion Sargeras would squish the life of it...

And another thing, I did a quick research and I found a piece of info saying that the Terrans found a way to emulate the Overmind control over the Zergs, meaning that the Zergs can be Mind Controlled and guess who specializes in mind control Nathrezim they could Mind control Zergs strongest units and maybe even the Overmind itself (If think that would be hard since its a powerful telepathic being)...

In conclusion if the Legion didn't have any magic at their disposal surely the Zergs would Annihilate them.

Now before some of you start saying that if the Legion are so powerful why haven't them destroyed by now Azeroth... Remember that the Legion needs a portal big and strong enough to let them make a full scale invasion which they have not been able to do in their many invasions and since we are talking about a battle at their Primal well I suppose that the Legion this time managed to open a big and strong enough portal...

Lastly If we were to see an Amon vs Sargeras battle I dare to say that Amon is practically an Old God in WoW Universe, If Aman'thul was able to kill an Old God by himself I don't see why Sargeras can't. But that's for another debate I suppose.

Maybe I'm wrong in some details specially in the SC ones, you are free to correct me.

[Aquamonkey]

The battle would last A LOT since it seems that the Zergs have a stimated population of Billions while the Legion have Millions, but the Demons can comeback since the can respawn in the Twisted Nether and go again through the portal to the planet, In this case eventually the Zergs will die more quickly than they can reproduce even if they managed to do it eventually they will run out of resources, I mean... they need something to feed on... And they probably would learn that eating the Demons corpses would corrupt them so they are not going to be able to feed on demons.

Demons don't respawn instantly. Their beachhead would be overwhelmed and they'd lose control of their portal. They've lost control of their reinforcement portal to the denizens of Azeroth more than once.

[TheFirstOnes]

oh no doubt, he can kill a planet fast. But it's also been established beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is super slow in space travel terms and sucks at directions. not a big deal if he kills one solar system every couple thousand of years.

and yes, like you said, he is basically a planet, and as such there is a good chance he is vulnerable to planet killing weapons, something which he has never has been up against. (though admittedly the zerg don't really have those)

it really kinda says it all: the absolute strongest the legion has is a immobile planet killer, an annoyance at best.

True True. But, Let's not Forget about Aggramar's Stride's Description: http://www.wowhead.com/item=132443/aggramars-stride

"Time and Space are one. To a watcher of the universe, distance is nearly meaningless".

:/ Idk, Maybe Sargeras is too big, and felish for azeroth to handle. And because of that, he'll burn it to a crisp, even with light years of distance....

Who knows...

[caelestum]

As I said before...

The only way that I could see the Zergs winning is if the managed to enter in the portal and kill the demons inside the Twisting Nether or Argus (Since is a place heavily in contact with the Twisting Nether) and by that moment I suppose Sargeras would command to close the portal or just slice the planet in two...

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True True. But, Let's not Forget about Aggramar's Stride's Description: http://www.wowhead.com/item=132443/aggramars-stride

"Time and Space are one. To a watcher of the universe, distance is nearly meaningless".

:/ Idk, Maybe Sargeras is too big, and felish for azeroth to handle. And because of that, he'll burn it to a crisp, even with light years of distance....

Who knows...

if he could have he would have. he is the better safe then sorry type after all.

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As I said before...

it would't be very hard for them to locate argus and just fly there. they don't need portals for fast travel.

[caelestum]

it would't be very hard for them to locate argus and just fly there. they don't need portals for fast travel.

What I ment is that if the Zergs enter the portal the Legion was using... but I guess in they case the survive the Invasion and managed to create an army to counterattack then yes I suppose It would take them a while to find Argus and they would never find a way to get to the Twisting Nether since is in another dimension only accessible by portal aka magic.