The Terrifying Stakes Of Repealing Obamacare Without A Clear Replacement

[Stormspellz]

They already have a replacement plan. The sky isn't falling please stop with the fear mongering.

Still waiting for it.

[zorkuus]

I'm going to join NYC17 and ask, what's the plan?

It's a secret. Not even the planners know it, that's how well it's secured.

[Fenius]

Wait unemployment is welfare?

80% of that number after you take out the retarded unemployment figure is just food stamps...and the average food stamp household recieves 120 dollars a month. Also two thirds of them are working.
Hardly not doing anything.

Like I said in a previous post. You begin receiving reduced benefits at $1000 a month. Which is 31 hours for minimum wage 1 person in the household. 15.5 hours per week If 2. I would call the latter non-productive. Unfortunately data is not provided for those who work less or more. Most data leaves out number of hours worked as well. If you can find one that shows the actually hourly data let me know.

[Deleted]

Is it though?

These are the people who think Obummercare is just more evil gubmint intervention into their lives, intruding on their privacy and taking away their doctor.

Most of those people can't even understand what the ACA is (or was...) and how far reaching and complex the law is. The net investment tax being repealed is a nice little side effect ( ) for all those campaign contributors who elected these idiots.

Lmfao... Clinton had much more money behind her. Don't bitch about campaign contributors.

And no it's not surprising. I mean, what you said is exactly why. Not that what you said is correct, but just what you said is a big reason why your party got trashed so badly

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No clue.

My insurance company wouldn't legally be required to sell me insurance at the same rates, so no idea what they would do. They could tell me to pay more, leave it the same, or just drop me all together. I would assume they would do whatever is best for the bottom line, since they are a business, which is drop me all together.

Sucks for you. Not my problem. Should have bought your own insurance

[Rakoth]

Poverty begets poverty because that is what people are taught. Again Lets look at examples that refused what they were taught and actually did something about it. You are setting a bar that is to low and not expecting more. How do you morally justify doing that to someone? Do you really believe that if I tell some one they are worthless they will not believe it. People have a tenancy to believe what they perceive.

We all have choices to make. By your logic because I grew up in an alcoholic family and was abused I should amount to nothing. Because that is exactly what you have just said.

Your privilege view completely boggles my mind. "Oh I am sorry I am better than you. Here let me help you, because why, well you suck." I mean that is what you are saying.

Reading the article.

I commend you for getting yourself out of that situation, but you need to realize you are part of a minority. And your also mis-quoting me: It should be: "Oh I am sorry life has been easier for me then you. Let me help you improve your situation, because why, life wasn't fair to you."

I believe that tuition should be free, because that is the only way that a hard working individual, regardless of background, can break out of his situation. I agree with you that handouts, just for the sake of handouts, need to be curtailed. But something like health insurance (Not someone's fault they got sick) and tuition should be taken care of. Only then can we truly say: We gave you all the tools, and you did nothing with them, that's on you.

[Noxx79]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...everybody.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-policies.html

If we use Nancy Pelosi logic, we need to pass it before we can read it and know what it is exactly.

A) nether of those Links are plans
B) the republicans have had 6-8 years to come up with a comprehensive, detailed plan. Where is it?
C). You surely have a huge problem with the republicans shoving it down our throats with no dem votes, right?

[Deleted]

I have a relative who thought Obamacare was a program that gave free insurance to minorities. These people are willfully ignorant because listening to the misinformation soothes them right on the bigot spot.

"These people". Lol.

[Kujako]

"These people". Lol.

Yup, these people.

[Deleted]

I had some health issues in the past and had to see some specialists and had a few MRIs done among other things. I can't imagine if I needed to pay for that out of pocket. It just wouldn't be fair in a society to make a university student pay for thousands of dollars in medical fees on top of tuition. It's a shame Americans are allowing this and not voting these people out.

How is it not fair? Stop being entitled and get a work ethic. Work more hours, play less hours. Work more hours, use MMO-Chmapion less hours. Work more hours, have fun less hours. That's life, get used to it. Nobody, not even the "rich evil greedy insurance companies!" owes you anything.

If you can't afford either join the military. You'll be doing a good service and you won't be broke. Seriously though, stop being entitled.

[Noxx79]

A) False
B) In the links provided
C) I'll have a problem with it if it increases or maintains my current ridiculous levels of deductibles/premiums brought on by the ACA.

Did you forget to read your links? " a plan for everyone" and "lower costs" are not plans, but I forgot the repubs like you are too stupid to understand how promises don't equal facts? And just saying something isn't true.

Where are the plans?

[Deleted]

I'm not the one who's life depends on this. I'm Canadian, I have free health care.

In fact, if I lived in the US, I'd be screwed. I'm asthmatic, I have several allergies, I'm on an anti-depressant and I also have anxiolytics.

The amount of treatment and tests I had to go through my childhood are simply outstanding. My family would've never been able to afford the bill in the US.

But if Trump has no plan to replace Obamacare, he's going to face a tremendous amount of problems.

Lmao. I'm glad you have free health care in Canada. Too bad it's extremely flawed and requires people to come to America to get real treatment.

[NYC17]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...everybody.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-policies.html

If we use Nancy Pelosi logic, we need to pass it before we can read it and know what it is exactly.

What is the plan?

"Pelosi's" logic wasn't her logic. It was people like you who live for sound bytes and out of context talking points.

So, once again, what is the plan that you said they have?

[Fugus]

A) False
B) In the links provided
C) I'll have a problem with it if it increases or maintains my current ridiculous levels of deductibles/premiums brought on by the ACA.

A & B) Neither of them were plans, they were at best guidelines to help eventually create a plan but they were not a plan.

C) Sorry about your deductibles and premiums but the fact of the matter is that they were going up before the ACA passed as well, they just went up slower after its passage until recently when it exploded because of insurance companies trying to go for a bigger handout than forcing everyone into insurance period.


I personally was against how the ACA was implemented myself, it was still superior to what we had but overall was still not that great.

How would you have felt for a single payer system or universal healthcare that removed the insurance companies from the process entirely? I personally would prefer universal healthcare but even single payer would be preferred as both are still superior to what we have now and what we had previously and most likely will be superior to what is to come unless they are one of these.

[Tinykong]

Lmfao... Clinton had much more money behind her. Don't bitch about campaign contributors.

And no it's not surprising. I mean, what you said is exactly why. Not that what you said is correct, but just what you said is a big reason why your party got trashed so badly

The people who put Trump in office are the same people who were backing Clinton, don't delude yourself.

I'm not a Democrat.

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"These people". Lol.

Don't join the club if you don't like what being a member says about you.

[Deleted]

According to Republicans, you're going to pull yerself by yer boostraps, work hard, and pay it yourself. I'm truly sorry about your situation. My grandmother, mother, and one of my sisters are in the same situation as you. My grandmother will have Medicare/Medicaid to fall back at least - unless they repeal that as well. There is no real solution if they repeal that clause of the ACA. At the very worst, if you're basically dying, you can go to an emergency room and they have to treat you. It'll cost like 100k in bills however per visit..


Also, check your PMs

Not my problem. This person should've thought things through beforehand. If you buy a bad or cheap health insurance plan that drops people in these situations it's your fault. You should have been smarter, thought things through, and paid more money. But nope, people are greedy with their money (kinda like those big bad insurance companies) What could possibly go wrong?

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Yup, these people.

Uh, kay? She doesn't want Government touching her medicare to support socialized medicine. What's the problem?

[Noxx79]

Please read.....

-health saving accounts and tax credits to help customers save money.

-allow people and small businesses to create their own markets.

-"One of the key reforms that we will do is, we're going to legalize the sale of inexpensive insurance," he told CNN’s “State of the Union." “That means getting rid of the ObamaCare mandates on what you can buy.”

You're insults are, how shall I say this, outstanding.

-"There's no reason why (a business owner) with four employees shouldn't be able to join with hundreds and hundreds of other businesses that are small to become a large entity to get leverage to bring your prices down," Paul said.

Ok, so they have no plan.
First point already exists
Second and third points will do NOTHING.

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Ok, so they have no plan.
First point already exists
Second and third points will do NOTHING.

Again, gullible sheep like yourself don't deserve respect. Keep following sound bites, and then whine when your crappy life doesn't improve.

[Deleted]

The people who put Trump in office are the same people who were backing Clinton, don't delude yourself.

I'm not a Democrat.

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Don't join the club if you don't like what being a member says about you.

Being a member of what? People that don't like getting talked down to because they don't think the Government is the solution to every single problem in the whole wide world? Okaaaaaay.

And no... This isn't Mr. Robot, bro. The money was going to Clinton to oppose Trump. They worked directly against putting Trump into power by even supporting Clinton. Lets have some common sense, please.

[Noxx79]

Not my problem. This person should've thought things through beforehand. If you buy a bad or cheap health insurance plan that drops people in these situations it's your fault. You should have been smarter, thought things through, and paid more money. But nope, people are greedy with their money (kinda like those big bad insurance companies) What could possibly go wrong?

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Uh, kay? She doesn't want Government touching her medicare to support socialized medicine. What's the problem?

Medicare is soliacized medicine, idiot.

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[Varaben]

Two ways

1. Go to emergency room and get treatment, be unable to pay bills and declare bankruptcy, taxpayers proceed to foot the bill.

2. They fucking died.

So according to these projections https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statist...s/proj2012.pdf healthcare in the US is expected to be about $5 trillion in 2022. Another study found that in 2022 (I'm just using this year because the comparisons were readily available) about $6.4 billion will be spent on uninsured people http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...NEWS/150629964.

So 6.4 billion divided by 5 trillion is about .1% of the total cost. My point is, the part about "...taxpayers proceed to foot the bill" is largely overblown. Healthcare costs associated with the uninsured going to emergency rooms is a drop in the ocean. The real costs come from obesity, smoking, lack of exercise, etc. These are the real drivers of healthcare cost, not the uninsured.

I'm not saying your two options aren't true, as I'm sure those are the two options. There are more of course, like the fact that most ailments are self-limiting, so people just deal with them and they go away on their own. You have a shitty time, but you can deal with it. Buy over the counter symptom treatments and ride it out.

[Tinykong]

Being a member of what? People that don't like getting talked down to because they don't think the Government is the solution to every single problem in the whole wide world? Okaaaaaay.

A Trump supporter. Don't be one if you don't like what supporting him says about you.