The Terrifying Stakes Of Repealing Obamacare Without A Clear Replacement

[Fugus]

But then will he ban all those things he wants banned?(i.e porn)

In the areas without the government, depends on how strong he is I guess since might makes right in those places.

[Felya]

Well he certainly wasn't imitating the report in question. You know, the one who *can't* move his arms like that.

Yes, he obviously wasn't. What he was doing was the same gesture that he has used on others multiple times. This just happens to be the one time, that his convulsions ectually resembled the person he was trying to insult. You know, that sinking feeling you get when you innocently scream 'retard' at your buds, like you normally do... but, this time there was a kid with Down syndrome near you... yeah, that's the emotion people expected Trump to have... it's what makes this more sensational, than any other time...

[Ahovv]

Yes, he obviously wasn't. What he was doing was the same gesture that he has used on others multiple times. This just happens to be the one time, that his convulsions ectually resembled the person he was trying to insult. You know, that sinking feeling you get when you innocently scream 'retard' like you normally do... but, this time there was a kid with Down syndrome near you... yeah, that the emotion people expected Trump to have... it's what makes this more sensational, than any other time...

I guess I sympathize with Trump on this specific issue because I have a generic "mocking a moron" voice that I do, which people usually find funny and consistent. If one day I mock a moron/hypocrite and that person happens to be physically handicapped in some way, I don't see why I should feel particularly worse.

So yeah, call me evil, or someone else can call me a "Trump supporter" or whatever. I don't think handicapped people should be protected from criticism or mocking, especially if they are saying something really dumb or hypocritical.

To give an extreme example, if some guy in a wheelchair says "fuck niggers," would I be shamed for making fun of him?

[Felya]

Oh, I'm a Trump "supporter" now? Thanks for categorizing me.

Are you a Trump "supporter"?

https://youtu.be/mQZmCJUSC6g

[WernerCD]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiesol.../#29c6b26aa5d0
@breadisfunny what do you think?




People are gonna lose their lives over this. It really boggles the mind that these politicians were voted in.

How many can't afford the massive increases in monthly payments.

How many can't afford the massive deductibles.

How many can't see their doctors.

How many lost the plans they had.

People will die? They ain't already?

The "Affordable" care act (/snicker) is dead. I'd say hope something better comes out of the next Administration but honestly... it won't take much to be better.

[Tennis]

How many can't afford the massive increases in monthly payments.

How many can't afford the massive deductibles.

How many can't see their doctors.

How many lost the plans they had.

People will die? They ain't already?

The "Affordable" care act (/snicker) is dead. I'd say hope something better comes out of the next Administration but honestly... it won't take much to be better.

What's with all these questions. Why does the US. have one of the highest GDPs in the world yet is not able to provide adequate healthcare? Do you think this is ok?

[Roxaos]

If you don't want to force people to get insurance, then you should take away the ability to get medical care without having a way to pay for it.

[Felya]

I guess I sympathize with Trump on this specific issue because I have a generic "mocking a moron" voice that I do, which people usually find funny and consistent. If one day I mock a moron/hypocrite and that person happens to be physically handicapped in some way, I don't see why I should feel particularly worse.

See... that's exactly what I mean. Why would you feel bad acting like a moron/hypocrite, in front of the physically handicapped?

So yeah, call me evil, or someone else can call me a "Trump supporter" or whatever. I don't think handicapped people should be protected from criticism or mocking, especially if they are saying something really dumb or hypocritical.

Why should I call you anything? You seem to be doing a fine job calling your self all sorts of stuff. I wouldn't want to interrupt...

[JohnBrown1917]

In the areas without the government, depends on how strong he is I guess since might makes right in those places.

So he will become what he fears most, the government.

[Felya]

To give an extreme example, if some guy in a wheelchair says "fuck niggers," would I be shamed for making fun of him?

That depends, how old are you? If you are under 18, shamed wouldn't be the word I used. I kind of expect the whole making fun of thing to go away once you enter the work force. How does that go? I aign't got time for that...

My gf did once screamed 'you fucking retard' at me, at Grand Canyon... as a smiling family with their Down syndrome kid with a huge shit eating grin on her face looked right at us... they didn't say a single word and the damn yell actually echoed... to this day, 17 years later, if I ever want to make her turn red, I bring that up... fucking glorious... beats my yell of 'you know everyone is talking about how fucking fat you got' at Christmas dinner to her sister a few years ago... almost crushing this honorable moment of mine, while my gf's wheelchair bound mother was right behind me:

Her grand kid watching murder ball: "Why do these guys in wheelchairs keep trying to kill each other?"
My reply: "they are in wheelchairs, they got nothing to live for"

Imagine me, with my big mouth and love of dark humor, as president? We'd be nuked by China by Tuesday... lol?

[Gray_Matter]

OMFG....Now to the "People will die because Obama's legacy is being removed" argument. The ACA was put in place for one purpose and that was to FAIL.....That way Liberals could get a single payer government run heath care. Was the system perfect before the ACA? No. But to insure a small percentage off the backs of the majority isn't right. I have friends that are in their 40's who don't have health care because of the ACA. These are people who are part of the 49% who pay taxes but can not afford the 50% hike in their premiums. All to insure people who refuse to work.

Just love when liberals scream that people are going to die on a system that has only been in place for what a little over 5 years now? Really?????

Premiums were hiked because benefits increased. The previous policies weren't worth the paper they were printed on because of the limitations included with those policies. People may have thought they had health insurance but they really only had coverage for normal doctors visits. The moment something more serious kicked in then they would be out on the street.

[Blacktop Cadence]

If you don't want to force people to get insurance, then you should take away the ability to get medical care without having a way to pay for it.

Honestly, if we're going to get rid of the individual mandate I would be in favor of doing away with allowing medical bills to be discharged through bankruptcy if you make over a certain amount and are uninsured. It's probably more vindictive than anything on my part, I admit, but man do I resent the notion that those who willfully go without coverage they can afford can raise my premiums and deductible because they can skip out on the bill when a car accident costs them a hundred grand or so.

[Ahovv]

That depends, how old are you? If you are under 18, shamed wouldn't be the word I used. I kind of expect the whole making fun of thing to go away once you enter the work force. How does that go? I aign't got time for that...

My gf did once screamed 'you fucking retard' at me, at Grand Canyon... as a smiling family with their Down syndrome kid with a huge shit eating grin on her face looked right at us... they didn't say a single word and the damn yell actually echoed... to this day, 17 years later, if I ever want to make her turn red, I bring that up... fucking glorious... beats my yell of 'you know everyone is talking about how fucking fat you got' at Christmas dinner to her sister a few years ago... almost crushing this honorable moment of mine, while my gf's wheelchair bound mother was right behind me:

Her grand kid watching murder ball: "Why do these guys in wheelchairs keep trying to kill each other?"
My reply: "they are in wheelchairs, they got nothing to live for"

Imagine me, with my big mouth and love of dark humor, as president? We'd be nuked by China by Tuesday... lol?

I mean, if we're children for tossing around offensive language, what exactly would that make China in your example? "My feewings are hurt, better kill countless people."

[Tinykong]

He wasnt mocking his disability, he was mocking his tone of voice and attitude

This is a pathetic attempt to make excuses for something that is clearly obvious to anyone rational.

[Gray_Matter]

But like many you have missed the wider problem the ACA did not fix. Cost.

Of course cost is the problem but that's something that could have been addresses along side the ACA. The ACA worked on economies of scale. Get everyone insured and the young and health subsidize the old and sick. There is nothing unfair about that system because the young will inevitably get old and benefit from it. It's not a free lunch. Everyone is paying. If anything some billionaires (no names mentioned) could afford to pay a bit more into the system to subsidize the people working for them.

Cost is something that should have been addressed but it won't be addressed by the GOP because they believe in less regulation.

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I think your missing the point. But to each their own. I have made my own way. The only one who helped me were my parents. I have not said a word about roads. Electricity in the US is provided by private industry and maintained by private industry which I pay for through my bills. My safe community is provided by property taxes, again which is not being discussed here. Do we live in a society yes. Do most contribute yes. There are some who do not. In which case society should not contribute to them. Of course there are some who need it. Those who are able body and do not, need to go. As for on the backs of others is kinda of a bull shit statement. Did you attend and pay for school out of your own pocket? Did society provide you your grades? Or was it your effort? Did you pursue education because it was your goal? Or because society demanded it of/or placed you? Did someone do your homework and study for you? By no means am I demeaning the janitor, or tradesman. What I am saying is that the ACA did nothing more than shift cost in an industry based off of risk assessment. It was bull shit and built to line the pockets of a few.

There is something that you are missing which is called empathy for people who are less privileged than yourself. I have a good job and I am well educated so I will benefit, if anything, from any changes, but one has too look at the situations that others find themselves in before judging them. People are working for minimum wage, often doing 2 jobs. They stay in poor areas where schools are a disaster. Those people don't have any way to pay for health insurance. Their kids are doomed to the same fate because they don't get an education work anything. There is no college or university for those kids. They can't get decent grades. About the only effort they can put in would put them on the wrong side of the law. It's a simple fact. We can help our kids with academics, when the teachers fall short (and they do). Someone in that sort of situation can't help their kids, they don't have the education. It's a circle. Did you ever wonder why the middle class is shrinking?

[Roxaos]

Americans have nearly zero empathy for their fellow countryman, it's sad really, and I feel that the longer we go down this road the more this country will continue to fall down the ranks of the world.

[Felya]

I mean, if we're children for tossing around offensive language, what exactly would that make China in your example? "My feewings are hurt, better kill countless people."

That was obviously hyperbole. China would do the same thing every nation has done in such cases, justify their position as the rational one in any conflict.

[purebalance]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiesol.../#29c6b26aa5d0
@breadisfunny what do you think?




People are gonna lose their lives over this. It really boggles the mind that these politicians were voted in.

100% load of lies and garbage since a lot of the big name insurance companies have been dropping out of the marketplace left and right.

You would think @Tennisace would hate ACA since it made obesity classified as a disease that is a protected population against insurances dropping them for being obese.

[Daelak]

100% load of lies and garbage since a lot of the big name insurance companies have been dropping out of the marketplace left and right.

You would think @Tennisace would hate ACA since it made obesity classified as a disease that is a protected population against insurances dropping them for being obese.

Because their risk pools are comprised of the sick and dying drawing out more than they take in. This is why health insurance will never be a viable option. You make the risk pool as large as possible and as diverse as possible to temper risk and cost volatility, like with 330 million people.

[The Stormbringer]

I'm glad they are replacing it. I'd rather buy catastrophic coverage(which a bronze level Obamacare plan already is) at a much lower price that I do today. In the event I develop a serious condition, I would be covered but I would also go broke.

Keep a few things, like no pre-existing conditions. Create risk pools, so the people who are sick and who are at risk of getting sick(obese, smokers, ect) pay more and have a personal responsibility in their health. Remove the individual mandate. Allow insurance companies to create the cheap policies that people want to buy and allow those policies to compete across the nation.

Having the young and healthy prop up the old and sick was never going to work. Young and healthy gain nothing from catastrophic coverage because too many loopholes allow them to signup outside of open enrollment. Insurance companies are not getting paid as promised because not enough money in the fiduciary to cover it. Expanded Medicaid made up the majority of "newly insured" and they pay nothing, new people on the insurance roles are paid for by people who already have coverage before Obamacare.

They should keep the basic premise and fix a few things. No one(even poor) should get completely free insurance, as it leads to fraud and abuse. The purpose of copays is to engage the patient in responsibility of their insurance usage and must exist for Medicaid too.

Everyone should have healthcare, but it must be a sustainable plan that has bipartisan support, not a plan that half the country hates and refuses to maintain when parts of it go wrong.

PS: Republicans have dozens of plans to replace Obamacare, and when Dr Price takes over HHS you will find out quickly that he is the right man for the job. Most who comment here don't even know Dr. Price and his history. Read up on him and be pleasantly surprised.

PPS: It's getting repealed irregardless. Some here seem to hope the replacement fails. I hope it succeeds.

No, we don't want the replacement to fail, we want the replacement available as the old law is repealed. Otherwise they're literally just kicking the can down the road and not giving a shit about all the people who suffer in the meantime. We know the ACA isn't perfect, we just want affordable healthcare that doesn't bankrupt us if we're in an accident or get sick.

Heaven forbid we couldn't just take control of the Healthcare market and give free coverage like they do in Canada, or any other successful First World nation model.

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We dont have the responsibility to think about others, nor should we. Take care of your own damn self

Aren't you supposed to be like a big Christian? Because this is the most anti-Christian sentiment I've ever heard. If not, I do apologize.