Nighthold Cleared day 1 and yet Mythic/LFR still gets gated release dates. why?

[Charge me Doctor]

Mythic raid is balanced around having set bonuses, one week gives an opportunity to some players get their hands on them

[Doomchicken]

Because not everyone is capable of leading raids. Let's be honest here out of the raiding community I'd guess 5-10% would make good raid leaders. This isn't an attack on the others but people have different talents, strengths and weaknesses.

We're talking about normal here. Maybe nighthold for the first few weeks might need someone with good tactical and directional skills until more experience is gained but leading EN/TOV is as simple as reminding people in quick tldr format. Nyth: Move away from rots, drop volatile rots at X spot, don't stand in breath/shit. Most bosses, especially on normal are not that complicated. If people don't want to put even that much work into it, that's cool, that's up to them, but at that juncture if they can't get a normal group for whatever reason and can't be arsed making a group then their own failure is on them.

[Dovashy]

The absolute biggest reason why things are delayed for the first few weeks is incredibly simple...it takes them /months/ to come out with new content, the only way to keep it fresh is to gate harder difficulties and LFR. Granted, there's no real need to gate things as bad as they are (especially looking for raid)....however, you're going to be drudging along until the next patch comes out anyway, so....guess we'll be dealing with it! (Like we do each and every patch.)

[melodramocracy]

You're going to be doing Nighthold until nearly summer. 2 weeks isn't going to kill you.

[Miztickow]

I'm pissed cuz I have to keep waiting for LFR to be unlocked to get my cool purple-horned mail hat.

[Jtbrig7390]

You're going to be doing Nighthold until nearly summer. 2 weeks isn't going to kill you.

LFR doesn't fully open for nearly 2 months....

[Flurryfang]

Like the title says Nighthold is cleared day 1 and yet Mythic/LFR still gets gated release dates. why?

There is no reason for ether of these modes to have a gated release date, Even more so LFR having a gated release date that takes nearly 2 months.

With how broken gearing is in Legion there is guilds who can step into Mythic this week.

Its a system that needs to be changed. Casual players who only do LFR shouldn't have to wait a extra nearly 2 months and Hardcore players shouldn't have to wait a extra week.

Are you kidding me? Nightold is cleared by less then 1% of the raiding community right now and yet you call for less gating?? Give people some god damm time to do their stuff for fuck sake.

The reason why mythic is gated by a week, is to give mythic guilds time to see the instance before they jump into mythic. Before the rules were that you had to clear heroic and now they just skip the launch by a week. Alot of mythic guilds like this, because it allows them to step lightly into the progression race and are not forced to throw themselfs into completly new bosses on progression.

The reason why LFR is opened slowly after launch of the raid, is because people should be incentived to go into normal and heroic to see the story. If LFR launched fully from day 1, alot of people in normal guilds, who take pride in clearing the instance primarily to see lore, get to get that achievement before other people who would normally let themself be carried through LFR.

The current gating system work, so stop worring about it. It hurts nobody and does the right thing: Rewarding people for jumping into the raid early.

[Deleted]

I don't think mythic players mind at all. It gives us the chance to get familiar with boss mechanics and get some tier and trinkets.

Now LFR, on the contrary. LFR should be one whole tier behind the curve so slackers would bother to actually get a guild and get good to see end-game content sooner. Or you know... outright removed and dungeon rewards increased.

[Sastank]

I have a feeling it will take months.


Also, aren't people clearing LFR in day 1?

Nah it won't take WF M Guldan more than 14 days. If it does I'd be surprised, and impressed. After Xavius lol...At least Helya race was good. With all the exploiters banned

[Nefarious Tea]

The one week wait time for Mythic is so that with hundreds of thousands of people running Heroic and Normal, the sheer numbers will find any bugs with a maintenance to spare before Mythic opens. In this way, the bugs can be fixed.

As for LFR, the entirety of LFR has always been massively gated - presumably a "fuck you" to pugs, given that there is no logical reason for gating it.

[Ashkiman]

Because there are other guilds out there than the top 1% that can clear it on hc in one week.

[tyrs ankle]

The one week wait time for Mythic is so that with hundreds of thousands of people running Heroic and Normal, the sheer numbers will find any bugs with a maintenance to spare before Mythic opens. In this way, the bugs can be fixed.

As for LFR, the entirety of LFR has always been massively gated - presumably a "fuck you" to pugs, given that there is no logical reason for gating it.

There's plenty reason for it to be gated. You just don't agree with them due to vested personal interest and a gimme complex.

[nekobaka]

There's plenty reason for it to be gated. You just don't agree with them due to vested personal interest and a gimme complex.

I also dont see how LFR being gated is an FU to PuGs as LFR is random queue while PuGs are doing normal.

[tyrs ankle]

I also dont see how LFR being gated is an FU to PuGs as LFR is random queue while PuGs are doing normal.

People, especially on these forums can take a blank statement and twist it into a personal attack against them.

[zaino]

LFR doesn't fully open for nearly 2 months....

why is this a problem?

if you want to see the raid, run normal

[RobertMugabe]

NH normal isn't expected to be challenging for EN mythic folks anyways.... it is content meant for people who did EN normal

[Nefarious Tea]

There's plenty reason for it to be gated. You just don't agree with them due to vested personal interest and a gimme complex.

Orr... how about my guild is currently 7/10H Nighthold right now? Not the greatest, but still... my view has nothing to do with a "gimmie" complex.

[tyrs ankle]

Orr... how about my guild is currently 7/10H Nighthold right now? Not the greatest, but still... my view has nothing to do with a "gimmie" complex.

That doesn't mean that you don't/can't have a vested personal interest

[Arrol]

Like the title says Nighthold is cleared day 1 and yet Mythic/LFR still gets gated release dates. why?

There is no reason for ether of these modes to have a gated release date, Even more so LFR having a gated release date that takes nearly 2 months.

With how broken gearing is in Legion there is guilds who can step into Mythic this week.

Its a system that needs to be changed. Casual players who only do LFR shouldn't have to wait a extra nearly 2 months and Hardcore players shouldn't have to wait a extra week.

It allows guilds to do split runs at a leisurely pace the first week so blizz doesnt incentivize staying awake for 5 days straight to get all split raiding done and mythic bosses to start dieing.

[klogaroth]

The staggered release of LFR has been around forever. People expecting it to go are as realistic as people who expect LFR to be removed.

Especially now. Especially in Legion. Especially with the stream of content design that's going on. Blizzard would much prefer to release content at a steadier pace than a load at once and then nothing for ages. That's why even questlines have gated release dates now. If they're gating quests, what do you think the chances that they plan on releasing LFR all at once is?