Will this be considered a stain in American history?

[ujx]

No that was Obama's 2012 inauguration (1 million). It was estimated the day before that 700-900K would turn up for Trump, however far far less than that actually did.

Hell here is an image from the National malls earth cam. It even has a time stamp on the bottom which you can see. It shows it clearly as 12.15pm, which is during the time he was actually swearing in.



Now here is a picture from the same time today for the Trump protest march -

I don't know where you got your estimates from but the latest figures I can find estimate 900k. Obviously it wouldn't hit Obama figures considering he was the first black president and most jobs gave people the day off and classes were cancelled.

Now as far as this protest, this cam doesn't show anything past the Reflecting Pool or the Capitol grounds. It's only showing Lincoln Park and Independence Ave. Can't begin to compare until you see the whole picture.

[Tonkaden]

No I'm not triggered. I just think it's hilarious more people turned up to protest him than to watch him swear in. If you Trumpists would just accept the fact of these numbers then I'd not say any more about it. But If I see someone posting lies or misleading data I'm going to correct what you say. And on this you are lying so I'm correcting you.

I really think that all these people protesting is a positive thing? I think they are all idiots. There were planes of people coming in. So you mean to tell me that you are going to spend $500-$1000 on a flight, maybe more + outrageous hotel costs and maybe get fired from your job just so you can go walk the streets chanting shit that no one can understand anyways , is a smart thing to do?

I guess there is one positive. They are getting some exercise.

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No I'm not triggered. I just think it's hilarious more people turned up to protest him than to watch him swear in. If you Trumpists would just accept the fact of these numbers then I'd not say any more about it. But If I see someone posting lies or misleading data I'm going to correct what you say. And on this you are lying so I'm correcting you.

So you think you can honestly compare his inauguration and Obamas? Obama's inauguration was historic. Schools were cancelled. African Americans turned out in droves, which by the way, you won't EVER see again until another African American is sworn in.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-sizes-ranked/

There are rankings.

Trump will only be behind behind Obamas. You are acting like Trumps turn out was smaller than Reagans. I watched the inauguration. I kept my eyes on the crowd. I was as curious as most. At the end of the inauguration, The crowd looked nothing like the "mid day" picture you keep posting on here.

[Halyon]

So you are blaming Trump for the entirety of the worlds pre-existing problems? I mean he hasn't been in office a day.


As for what i've done? I own an electric car. Thats about it. I don't litter. Not much else I can do.

And of course you are doing well. You have a population that Rhode Island almost rivals and its about half the size of Maine. Your country would be a city in some states here. You cannot really compare the two.

...no, I am not. I think you have questionable comprehension. I don't want to blame Trump of anything... Because that means he has done something worth blaming him for, which is exactly what I don't want happening in the first place, I just have a suspicion that it will happen. There's a difference.

We are nonetheless a country. So is Sweden. They are larger than us, and they are doing better than us.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I really think that all these people protesting is a positive thing? I think they are all idiots. There were planes of people coming in. So you mean to tell me that you are going to spend $500-$1000 on a flight, maybe more + outrageous hotel costs and maybe get fired from your job just so you can go walk the streets chanting shit that no one can understand anyways , is a smart thing to do?

I guess there is one positive. They are getting some exercise.

An interesting perspective. A demographic analysis of the people attending these women marches would certainly be fascinating. I mean the local ones not so much, but the people that actually traveled to washington from more than say 500 miles away.

[alexw]

Thats what I am pulling for. I am so sick of American soldiers dying to help protect a patch of dirt half the world away for no damned reason. Let the Middle East handle itself. If one of our allies are attacked , so be it. Its Boots-to-Asses time. We need to put ourselves first and quit worrying about everyone's affairs. We are a nosy nation. Time for us to quit it.

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I asked you to justify yours as well. I guess we both set sail for fail.

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And thats a bad turnout? Go look at Bushes or Clintons. I posted those photos in another thread. It was no better. Obama's was only that big, as I said, due to the African American people witnessing their own taking office for the first time... ever.

The turnout is a bit down from Bush and Clinton when you would expect larger numbers due to population growth, but broadly you are correct. However the issue is not Trump's turnout vs x,y,z, but the way Trump and his Trumpists fans are lying about all this. If they just accept these numbers as fact then people like me won't feel the need to point out and rebut their lies.

[Spectral]

Theres a new movement starting at those protests.

I'm sure it'll be as on message and effective as OWS and BLM!

[Skroe]

I also believe in that. I would forgive.

Bless you. <3

[Tonkaden]

...no, I am not. I think you have questionable comprehension. I don't want to blame Trump of anything... Because that means he has done something worth blaming him for, which is exactly what I don't want happening in the first place, I just have a suspicion that it will happen. There's a difference.

We are nonetheless a country. So is Sweden. They are larger than us, and they are doing better than us.

What I am saying is, is that we have one city that is bigger than you by double and almost bigger than Sweden. Just one damned city. I mean, come over here and go to Montana. Its 10 times your size and almost as big as Sweden. Its a clean, clean state. Unfortunately, we have 70 times more people and 230 times the land mass to worry about.

Im not trying to take anything away from your country. Denmark, Sweden, Norway. All of you lead the world in environmental preservation, but honestly, you don't have the problems bigger countries have to deal with. Come over here and try to take public transportation from Florida to California. Cya in 2-4 days. Hell. Try to go from Dallas, TX to El Paso Texas. Cya in 20 hours. You cannot compare bite sized countries to a mammoth land area like the United States.

As for the Trump issue, I really think I am cross posting. I am responding to like 4-5 people. I am getting people mixed up at this point lol.

[HumbleDuck]

I remember how Obama was going to destroy America and all the doom and gloom from the right when he was president, and now I'm hearing the same stuff from the left about Trump. In 10 years or 20 years, I think most people will look back and think, "Yeah I guess I was blowing it all out of proportion."

As I said in my original post, I really hope that be the case, but history shows people like him, when elected, usually damage the country substantially, and as the country in this case is US, world will be in trouble.

[Tonkaden]

An interesting perspective. A demographic analysis of the people attending these women marches would certainly be fascinating. I mean the local ones not so much, but the people that actually traveled to washington from more than say 500 miles away.

I really have much better things to do with my money than pay to mill around in the streets like a herd of cattle. Its really that simple. I am watching it right now. They are literally just walking around in the street. I don't get how its a positive thing at all.

Id love to see not only a demographic analysis, but a cost analysis as a whole. These people could have put the money towards their kids college education or paid 2 more mortgage notes. Locals think is a positive to... except the ungodly cleanup that will need to be done will come out of their own pockets.

Im a believer in the right to protest, just not the sheer idiocy of actually doing it.

[Skroe]

Or it will set back progressive behaviour about 100 years or so as the PC protestors edge closer and closer to simply devolving into mob mentality and lose all face as they begin rioting and raising the question of if the protestors even had a point in the first place if they themselves become the problem that they are complaining about. I'd have to say the fact that before the inauguration speech had even finished and that supposedly "peaceful" protests had already erupted into riots signals that some Americans still need a lot of growing up to do.

And yet today, protests that utterly dwarfed any crowds Trump has ever produced... all of it entirely peaceful.

THis is not about Progressives versus Conservatives. Trump is no conservative. I am a conservative. I am hardline #NeverTrump, and will be until the day he is gone. This is about American values and behavior versus un-American values and behavior.

Let me put it this way. I'm no fan of social justice progressivism. I understand why they do what htey do and think what they think, even though I think it is largely unwarranted and irrational. But I will take them doing what they do, and argue for their FREEDOM to do whatever they do, any day of the week over a xenophobic, intolerant, bigoted demagogue.

This stopped being about liberals versus conservatives a very long time ago. Trump is illiberal (different meaning of 'liberal' than the domestic politics sense to be clear) Democracy and Putinism come to America. It will not be allowed to take root. We actual liberals and conservatives will be happy warriors over our political differences in the aftermath. Now though? We got bigger fish to fry than our petty differences.

[alexw]

Estimated 900k people showed up for Trump's inauguration. You were chuckling to yourself that more people showed up in NYC than Trump's inauguration and you were proven wrong. Now back to circlejerking yourself with anti-Trump sigs and avatar.

I don't get it.... I've even posted pictures showing how you are wrong which explicitly show the crowd sizes. There is even a time stamp on the Trump one showing that it was not taken on a different date and time. Yet somehow you don't believe those photo's, why?

[Tonkaden]

As I said in my original post, I really hope that be the case, but history shows people like him, when elected, usually damage the country substantially, and as the country in this case is US, world will be in trouble.

Please, PLEASE, give us a lit of said individuals. I'd love to see it. Show me a list of US presidents that fucked our country so bad that it put the world in trouble. This is what I mean by hyperoble.

Its hard to take statements like this remotely serious. Let me guess. You are going to compare him to Hitler, Fidel Castro, Asaad? Give me a break.

[alexw]

I don't know where you got your estimates from but the latest figures I can find estimate 900k. Obviously it wouldn't hit Obama figures considering he was the first black president and most jobs gave people the day off and classes were cancelled.

Now as far as this protest, this cam doesn't show anything past the Reflecting Pool or the Capitol grounds. It's only showing Lincoln Park and Independence Ave. Can't begin to compare until you see the whole picture.

More denial.... Its estimated that 250,00 attended.

https://twitter.com/ft/status/822565660979036160

[Tonkaden]

I don't get it.... I've even posted pictures showing how you are wrong which explicitly show the crowd sizes. There is even a time stamp on the Trump one showing that it was not taken on a different date and time. Yet somehow you don't believe those photo's, why?

You showed pictures from certain time frames. I can do that too lol. No one here is disputing the fact that there are more people protesting than there were at the inauguration. What we are saying is the picture you are trying to compare to was taken before the inauguration began. I was watching it live. There were a lot more in the crowd at the end than there were 30 minutes before it started.

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America has an old and well-established culture of democracy and law. I really doubt he can go out of line too much.

Yep. This is the main thing people don't get. Its not like he is a Dictator. There is only so much he can do. Our government might be flawed, but we are , in my opinion, the best country in the world. You don't get that by having a total shit legislative body.

[alexw]

I really think that all these people protesting is a positive thing? I think they are all idiots. There were planes of people coming in. So you mean to tell me that you are going to spend $500-$1000 on a flight, maybe more + outrageous hotel costs and maybe get fired from your job just so you can go walk the streets chanting shit that no one can understand anyways , is a smart thing to do?

I guess there is one positive. They are getting some exercise.

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So you think you can honestly compare his inauguration and Obamas? Obama's inauguration was historic. Schools were cancelled. African Americans turned out in droves, which by the way, you won't EVER see again until another African American is sworn in.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-sizes-ranked/

There are rankings.

Trump will only be behind behind Obamas. You are acting like Trumps turn out was smaller than Reagans. I watched the inauguration. I kept my eyes on the crowd. I was as curious as most. At the end of the inauguration, The crowd looked nothing like the "mid day" picture you keep posting on here.

Err what???? Only 250,000 turned up for Trump. That is far less than prior presidents.

[Tonkaden]

More denial.... Its estimated that 250,00 attended.

https://twitter.com/ft/status/822565660979036160

Im still not getting what you are trying to say here. 250k. Alright. Those estimates are off. Look at Clintons second Inauguration. Estimated 250k



You think that is anywhere close to Trumps crowd size? Id wagerthat 10 times the amount of people that watched Clinton, watched Trump. It wouldn't even be close. You are trying to use crowd size as a comparison to what exactly?

How many viewers online did Clinton have? Think close to... 0? Like I've said too many times to count now. Trying to compare Obama to Trump in terms of inauguration sizes makes you look weak.

[alexw]

You showed pictures from certain time frames. I can do that too lol. No one here is disputing the fact that there are more people protesting than there were at the inauguration. What we are saying is the picture you are trying to compare to was taken before the inauguration began. I was watching it live. There were a lot more in the crowd at the end than there were 30 minutes before it started.

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Yep. This is the main thing people don't get. Its not like he is a Dictator. There is only so much he can do. Our government might be flawed, but we are , in my opinion, the best country in the world. You don't get that by having a total shit legislative body.

Try again. The photo I posted has a time stamp on it showing 12.15. That was during the swearing in ceremony.

[Tonkaden]

Try again. The photo I posted has a time stamp on it showing 12.15. That was during the swearing in ceremony.

Okay, your photo is accurate for arguments sake. Look at the one I posted of Bill Clinton's second inauguration. 250k people (thats on the low size, most estimated it at close to 300k). Trumps crowd was way bigger.

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"...those evil non patriotic companies are leaving US, countries are stealing US jobs, China and Mexico are evil...", "some are getting rich, while workers are losing their jobs..."
It's odd to try to sell this idea, when you are actually part of the process you are trying to criticize. Or maybe it's just opportunism.











This one is my fav


His speeches sound so weird, sometimes paradoxical, I'm still trying to understand what made so many people vote for him.

Of course he uses those brands from other countries. The system is set up that way. How many legitimate high quality manufactures of certain goods like bath robes and hotel towels are there in the United States? Kind of hard to get something that isn't in supply. Also, honestly, do you think he does anything other but make executive decisions for his companies? He isn't going over each individual purchase order.

[Draco-Onis]

Okay, your photo is accurate for arguments sake. Look at the one I posted of Bill Clinton's second inauguration. 250k people (thats on the low size, most estimated it at close to 300k). Trumps crowd was way bigger.

If Trump's number was huge he would not be banning the park services from tweeting the official number, I am not sure why it matters so much it is no surprise. Trump ran a very divisive campaign and has record low approval rating going into office, given all this 250K is a pretty big number.