Will this be considered a stain in American history?

[Elegiac]

You can get an ID for little to no money. Voter ID prevents voter fraud and is equally applied. In no way does it target any one race. Get out of here with that bullshit.

The judiciary disagrees.

We as a country do not want to open ourselves up like say Paris and suffer the consequences. Vetting those seeking to come from countries known to produce and harbor terroists is is not a violation of any liberty. Civil liberties apply to those who are in this country legally and do not intend on doing us harm. Those same countries wouldn't hesitate to throw an umarried pregnant woman or a gay man off a building.

People coming from those countries are -already- vetted quite heavily. Moreover, he did not specify whether or not he was talking about American citizens.

The rest is without evidence or any facts to back it up. Although the press did a swell job of staying impartial didn't they?

"Torture works. OK, folks? You know, I have these guys—”Torture doesn’t work!”—believe me, it works. And waterboarding is your minor form. Some people say it’s not actually torture. Let’s assume it is. But they asked me the question: What do you think of waterboarding? Absolutely fine. But we should go much stronger than waterboarding." - February 17

"Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would — in a heartbeat," Trump said to loud cheers during a rally at a convention center here Monday night that attracted thousands. "And I would approve more than that. Don't kid yourself, folks. It works, okay? It works. Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work." - November 21

"One of the things I'm going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we're certainly leading. I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We're going to open up those libel laws.." - Feb 26

I know 'facts' are a bit of a dirty word around Trump supporters, but do your homework.

[therayeffect]

Probably the side that initiates personal attacks on everyone who doesn't agree with them.... and then feels the uncontrollable need to create an imaginary facsimile of those people, based on their perceived inferiority to your such righteous self, and then hound them until you can force them to see the "error" of their ways by launching consecutive pseudo-intellectual lines of utter self-stroking horseshit for the single observational statement they once made in passing.

And contrary to the imaginary man you've been arguing against, while our flags do share the same colours, I'm afraid I'm not your fellow American.

I have no clue whether you've described the far-left SJWs crazies who scream Trump is the second coming of Hitler, racist, fascist and riot in the streets, burning everything or the far-right crazies who screamed Obama was a Muslim-Terrorist-Facist-Communist-Socialist and disrespected his position on a level not seen in awhile.

That says something about our politics.

[Thresh1]

You're measuring it by the number of wars rather than how many were killed. Millions have died in the name of a god. More than any other conflict in history.

Source? 10 chars

[Miztickow]

It isn't just college students. Of course they did stage a walk out the other day but the bigger story was the thousand strong woman's march protesting things that don't exist and that President Trump never did or said.

The news report on that walk out had quotes from various students and organizers. Every one of them was studying some sort of liberal arts and/or journalism. Little pricks need to get their ass back in school and stop wasting my tax dollars.

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Name one factual thing Trump has said he would do that would have any impact on civil liberties. And deporting ILLEGALS does not count as they are here by breaking the law.

Another example of the intolerant left. It sounds like your enemy is republicans as a whole. HOW DIVISIVE OF YOU. I'll stay up and wait for you to tell me what civil liberties and economic opportunities they are taking from you.

https://www.gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/

Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states. We oppose government discrimination against businesses or entities which decline to sell items or services to individuals for activities that go against their religious views about such activities.

Families formed or enlarged by adoption strengthen our communities and ennoble our nation. Private entities which facilitate adoptions enrich our communities. We support measures such as the First Amendment Defense Act to ensure these entities do not face government discrimination because of their views on marriage and family.

[jugzilla]

Lucrative, likely. Taxpayers, probably not.

Statistically, Trump voters have above-average incomes, below-average education, and if they're anything like who they vote for, they avoid paying taxes by any means available.

hahaha Stupid rich people. You really think Trump voters are stupid rich people.... You guys have some time to learn before the next election, but damn.

[Elegiac]

And yet they aren't doing shit with it. Like he said. A waste of time and space.

Gee, I wonder if it's because economic conditions for millennials are really shitty.

Go exercise, erm, protest. That's about all it's good for. You accomplish zero. There is nothing positive about it. Don't worry though. Tax payers are going to have fun fitting the bill cleaning up the mess left behind.

You lot said the same thing in the 60's about the Civil Rights movement.

It really pisses me off. Women want equal rights. U wot m8?!?!?!? Seriously? Women are equal in everything but anatomy. This isn't the early 20th century. Women have free will. They do what they want when they want. They have every opportunity for equal pay. I'm just not getting it.

We're already aware that people like you don't understand or care about issues that don't affect you personally.

[Vallcorr]

Facts remain. Donald Trump is our mother fucking president, and i'm proud as fuck. All you crybabies are just that, crybabies. Your tears are delicious, keep bringing them!


[Infracted]

[Elegiac]

hahaha Stupid rich people. You really think Trump voters are stupid rich people.... You guys have some time to learn before the next election, but damn.

Democrats recieved a majority of poor voters and voters with college degrees. Trump's majorities were in the demographics of 'working class, low education'.

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Facts remain. Donald Trump is our mother fucking president, and i'm proud as fuck. All you crybabies are just that, crybabies. Your tears are delicious, keep bringing them!

Is it so difficult to be sympathetic towards people who are afraid their livelihoods and rights are going to be taken away?

[Vallcorr]

https://www.gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/

Absolutely, i agree with you. Gay marriage is foul and disgusting, transgender bathrooms are foul and disgusting. I'm not ashamed to say that.

Infracted - Forbidden topics

[Elegiac]

Absolutely, i agree with you. Gay marriage is foul and disgusting, transgender bathrooms are foul and disgusting. I'm not ashamed to say that.

I'd wager people like you are more of a threat to the American way of life than the gays.

[Celista]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/21/medi...ent/index.html

Sean Spicer: Trump inauguration had largest audience ever
"That's what you guys should be writing and covering," new White House press secretary Sean Spicer angrily lectured reporters on Saturday during his first remarks from the podium of the press briefing room.

He was referring to the delay in Senate confirmation for President Donald Trump's pick to lead the CIA, Congressman Mike Pompeo, but the comment came after a long digression about how many people had shown up to watch Trump be sworn in as president.

"This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period," Spicer said, contradicting all available data.

Aerial photos have indicated that former president Barack Obama's first inauguration attracted a much larger crowd. Nielsen ratings show that Obama also had a bigger television audience.

Spicer said, without any evidence, that some photos were "intentionally framed" to downplay Trump's crowd.

He also expressed objections to specific Twitter posts from journalists. And he said, "we're going to hold the press accountable," partly by reaching the public through social networking sites.

His statement included several specific misstatements of fact in addition to the overarching one.

"This is the first time in our nation's history that floor coverings have been used to protect the grass on the Mall," Spicer said, claiming that this "had the effect of highlighting areas people were not standing whereas in years past the grass eliminated this visual."

In fact, coverings were used for Obama's second inauguration in 2013.

"This was also the first time that fencing and magnetometers went as far back on the Mall, preventing hundreds of thousands of people from being able to access the Mall as quickly as they had in inaugurations past," Spicer said.

In fact, a United States Secret Service spokesperson told CNN, no magnetometers were used on the Mall.

And Spicer said, "We know that 420,000 people used the D.C, Metro public transit yesterday, which actually compares to 317,000 for president Obama's last inaugural."

Spicer's number for ridership on Friday was actually low -- the correct number, according to Metro itself, was 570,557. But there were actually 782,000 trips taken for Obama's second inaugural in 2013.

Spicer, at times almost yelling while reading a prepared statement, took no questions. CNNMoney called his cell phone a few minutes later; he did not answer.

Some longtime White House correspondents were stunned by the tirade.

Glenn Thrush of The New York Times wrote on Twitter, "Jaw meet floor."

"I've run out of adjectives," wrote Chuck Todd, the moderator of NBC's "Meet the Press."

Karen Tumulty of the Washington Post said Spicer's assertion about "what you guys should be writing" was "chilling."

Reactions were overwhelmingly negative, and not just from journalists.

Ari Fleischer, who had the same job as Spicer during the George W. Bush administration, tweeted, "This is called a statement you're told to make by the President. And you know the President is watching."

And Brian Fallon, who was in line to become press secretary if Hillary Clinton had won, wrote, "Sean Spicer lacks the guts or integrity to refuse orders to go out and lie. He is a failure in this job on his first full day."

Conservative commentator Bill Kristol said "it is embarrassing, as an American, to watch this briefing by Sean Spicer from the podium at the White House. Not the RNC. The White House."

The White House alerted the press corps to Spicer's statement more than an hour ahead of time.

The CNN television network made a choice not to broadcast the Spicer statement live. Instead, the statement was monitored and then reported on after the fact.

Former Democratic congressman Steve Israel, who recently joined CNN as a commentator, said, "This isn't a petty attack on the press. It's a calculated attempt to delegitimize any questioning of @realDonaldTrump by a free press."

Spicer's statement came two hours after Trump spoke at CIA headquarters and described his "running war with the media." Trump spent several minutes of that speech complaining about news coverage.

In his remarks, Spicer suggested Trump would bypass traditional media outlets he believes are unfairly reporting on his presidency.

"The American people deserve better, and so long as he serves as the messenger for this incredible movement, he will take his message directly to the American people, where his focus will always be," Spicer said.

Spicer was joined in the Brady Press Briefing Room by members of his new White House press and communications staff, who are still moving into their offices and learning the way around the West Wing.

He tellingly led off his short statement with his tirade against the media, leaving announcements about phone calls with the leaders of Canada and Mexico, and announcing that Trump would meet with British Prime Minister Theresa May, to the end.

During those announcements, Spicer incorrectly referred to Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto as "prime minister."

Trump seems committed to the idea of running a propoganda machine instead of propagating truth.

[Skroe]

Facts remain. Donald Trump is our mother fucking president, and i'm proud as fuck. All you crybabies are just that, crybabies. Your tears are delicious, keep bringing them!


[Infracted]

Your President. Not mine.

You know what that means? When he fails... and he will... it's on you.

The rest of us? We'll never let people like you forget it. Crybabies? Ha! You don't understand, and you won't last. Donald Trump will not last.

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Trump seems committed to the idea of running a propoganda machine instead of propagating truth.

Good. The bag of tricks is finite and has a finite shelf life before the American people get fed up with the BS.

In destroying Donald Trump and all he stands for, Donald Trump, his underlings and the deplorables will be our most reliable accomplices.

[jugzilla]

Your President. Not mine

Who is your president in the meantime?

[Vallcorr]

Your President. Not mine.

Who is your president then? Donald Trump is the president of the united states of america. You must be moving somewhere else. Later.

[shadowmouse]

Do you think 2016/2017 will be recorded as a stain in your history books?

More like skid marks in the shorts of History.

We have had plenty of questionable politics in the past, and were every single politician in office this moment replaced tomorrow we would manage to have questionable politics again by the end of the week. The political process, no matter where, is a target for everything from outright dishonesty to well meant error.

There will be some mistakes, some things that divide opinion, and there will be some successes if for no other reason that with so many things up in the air a few are bound to get a good break.

[Skroe]

Who is your president then? Donald Trump is the president of the united states of america. You must be moving somewhere else. Later.

Who is your president in the meantime?

*I* don't have one. Donald Trump is the President of the United States. He holds the office. For now.

But *My* President? I support few of his polices. I find him supremely deplorable as a human being. I think he is a disgrace as a President. I want him to fail. The day he is gone I will dance in the street and smiling ear to ear as I am now, just anticipating that moment.

I will not take ownership of his successes or failures. He is other people's fault and his successes and failures will be on other people. And boy, will I do my part to make sure they own them. Every last one.

So how can, by definition, I want *my* President to fail? Because he is not my president at all. He is his supporters President and THE President. This is not some ridiculous ex-Soviet Eastern European country. I'm under no requirement to support the President. I am under no requirement to wish him well. And what the President wants isn't always, or even often, in the best interests of the country at large. So why would I want him to succeed? He holds an office, and nothing more.


Trump is the President. Legitimate? Ehhhhh Legitimacy comes from action. He would not be the first national leader, or even the first American President, to lose legitimacy based on the character of his actions. And so far, he seems to want to do everything and everything he can to tank his legitimacy.

But I will not ever use the word 'my', because I take no responsibility for him, and the only place he exists in my heart is a black place. I wish nothing but malice for him and his agenda. He will fail. His supporters will fail. And I will be glad. I will be joyous.

8 years ago Friday, Mitch McConnell toasted to Obama's failure. And here we are 8 years later, and Obama's legacy is in ruins. You can bet your asses, many of us made a similar toast and we'll work to... how shall we say... accelerate the timeline.

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I Still find it scary that the president of the US thanks god. Pretty much the same as radical muslimism.

Religion is a personal thing.

[Seradi]

Yeah, pretty much.
This is irrevocably the dumbest, most insulting president you've ever had. The rest of the world looks at him and shake their heads in dismay.
It's a joke. A farce.

Majority of Americans do too, don't worry. We've been complacent. We thought there was no way our country could elect someone as awful as Trump. This was a major wake up call to the millennials who sleep through the midterms and only show up for general for Obama. I think there will be a lot of grassroots campaigns, like the liberal version of the tea party hopefully without all the crazy.

[Wyrt]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/21/medi...ent/index.html



Trump seems committed to the idea of running a propoganda machine instead of propagating truth.

Well, of course the Trump white house needs to create their own facts. That's how fascism works, silly.

[Thresh1]

*I* don't have one. Donald Trump is the President of the United States. He holds the office. For now.

But *My* President? I support few of his polices. I find him supremely deplorable as a human being. I think he is a disgrace as a President. I want him to fail. The day he is gone I will dance in the street and smiling ear to ear as I am not just anticipating that moment.

I will not take ownership of his successes or failures. He is other people's fault and his successes and failures will be on other people. And boy, will I do my part to make sure they own them. Every last one.

So how can, by definition, I want *my* President to fail? Because he is not my president at all. He is his supporters President and THE President. This is not some ridiculous ex-Soviet Eastern European country. I'm under no requirement to support the President. I am under no requirement to wish him well. And what the President wants isn't always, or even often, in the best interests of the country at large. So why would I want him to succeeds? He holds an office, and nothing more.


Trump is the President. Legitimate? Ehhhhh Letigimacy comes from action. He would not be the first national leader, or even the first American President, to lose legitimacy based on the character of his actions. And so far, he seems to want to do everything and everything he can to tank his legitimacy.

But I will not ever use the word 'my', because I take no responsibility for him, and the only place he exists in my heart is a black place. I wish nothing but malice for him and his agenda. He will fail. His supporters will fail. And I will be glad. I will be joyus.

8 years ago Friday, Mitch McConnell toasted to Obama's failure. And here we are 8 years later, and Obama's legacy is in ruins. You can bet your asses, many of us made a similar toast and we'll work to... how shall we say... accelerate the timeline.

A regular man without a country, eh?