Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.
No but there's no point to exploit those runs. They don't give the good rewards that mythic+ does. You'll see exploitation very often in mythic+ with that system since that's where the rewards are at. That's what people are running.
Not only that, but normal, heroic and mythic runs do have that exact problem and it's annoying. You can que into a guild group or friend group and get kicked because they either want to invite someone else or just don't want you there.
It's happened to me when I qued for a random heroic. Got a guild group and they removed me for one of their mates who came online.
That problem doesn't need to be moved to mythic+. Just leave it how it is and don't implement an imperfect system that will cause even more issues.
The primary reward of M+ is the timer... since the cache nerfs, it is a very inefficient way to gear up people compared to a single run through heroic raids.
As I mentioned, it is just a suggestion - but as I also said, I don't really see any clear way of solving the issue, just ways that are really bad, and ways that are just ok.
Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.
Some people are just so bad that you have to leave for your own sanity. If your a healer, this is so much more common.
Content drought is a combination of catchup mechanics and no new content.
You asked for social interaction without any automated tools? You've got it! Now deal with it.
I don't care about Wow 11.0, if it's not solo-MMO. No half-measures - just perfect xpack.
In over 150 runs I have only once had someone leave a run and have myself only abandoned one run.
The run I abandoned was a VotW 12 I joined. It was a complete mess. It was advertised as DHt 12, but turned out to be VoTW. So no problem, fly to another instance. The heal was afk and needed almost 15 minutes to be able to get ported.
When we started the instance we almost wiped to the very first trash group, and then we wiped to the first mini-boss. Instead of regrouping and doing him again, people released and run back, one by one, only to be slaughtered again and again, with no hope of ever getting the mob done (it still had 60% HP).
There was no way the run would go smoothly in any way. It was not advertises as "only for weekly", so its a reasonable expectiation that it would be an on-time run. The way the instance started it looked more like an 2h+ run. I wasn't in for that, so i left and looked for another group.
I do not see how that was bad. The group was bad. I shouldn't be punished for hem not being on par for what they offered.
I agree with the OP, but to punish the criminal(the leaver) might not be the way to go. The real issue is for those whos left with a "broken" key. But there is hard to come up with a solution wich can't be abused or fixed with. And thats why blizz hasn't done anything yet I suppose(it was a blue post somewhere)
It's like when you are five people going out. One of the five suddenly shoots a guy and runs away. And the other 4 gets the blame and gets the punishment (great example imo)
What to do? Do it the old way, deserter. Like someone said, start with 1 hour, then expand it if that person leaves often. Can't do better than that I'm afraid. For the group, give em time to get a replacement, that you have to start all over is kind of silly. If the other 4 isn't so good that they 4man that 10-12.
Whatever solution, it will be both cons and pros.
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People doing keystone runs when they know that they have a connection poor enough that it drops a lot are punishing the people whose groups they join. They KNOW they're joining a timed run where people want to make the timer and that DCs will hurt the group and waste a non-renewable resource. Maybe they should not be doing such runs with PUGs when they have a crappy connection.
Nothing's perfect. This is a non-argument... it's the old "We can't devise something perfect, let's not do anything".It is too broad to be effective for the sheer range of players that the system must accommodate, and it still would allow calculated abuse of the system.
Yes, their system is good too. 5 minutes, though, might not be enough esp when looking for a player who can reasonably come in to a high level keystone.Honestly the best solutions I've seen so far is schwarzkopf's, it addresses the key problem of losing a player (for whatever reason) while having a buffer in place to prevent abuse. It is a significant improvement from simply having your run entirely ruined by 1 player.
My main point here is that we didnt define the problem to start which, to me, is punishing the people who leave repeatedly. Schwarzkopf's helps the group in a given situation but does nothing to deter serial leavers. OTOH, if we had access to Blizzard's data, we might see that there are so few serial/frequent leavers that there's no real problem.
Last edited by clevin; 2017-01-22 at 06:11 PM.
Reason, bare the consequences if you cannot complete either, but leaving. Sorry, life has to be even on both sides.
As for my view, that is why you have X amount of minutes. In the end, it is still the player's fault if connection/software of own or human problem - just like if a dungeon.
FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..