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This is in no way a scam. You did not solicit him. The conditions agreed upon were especially vague. The person paid up front without being specific, then was especially rude even when you tried to be fair with him. The only point of contention is whether or not he paid for a completed run, or simply to have people join him on a run. But that is 100% mitigated by his behavior after the run failed.
IMO it's completely the fault of the guy paying for not being specific, not being more selective on who he chose to do the run, and for paying the full sum up front without any guarantees. The fact that his attitude turned bad later only cements the complete lack of sympathy that he deserves.
Dude you're hilarious. I wasn't selling any runs. A player listed on trade he's paying a specific amounts of gold for a tank, healer and dps to join his m+ key run "whisper class and ilvl" etc. I whispered him, he invited me and paid me. I intended to finish the run but people started making drama and in the end everyone else left, couldn't stop them from doing so and I didn't know these people, for me they were complete pugs. I tried to fulfill my part of the contract to the best of my capabilities, flasked, potted, had 3x the interrupt count than anyone else, 2-3 times less deaths, was no intent of mine to fuck him over but he started being rude and unreasonable in the end. He paid me to tank the dungeon and I tanked it. If I was him I wouldn't spam trade for pugs when so many guilds offer more reliable boosts, but I'm not him, neither I can control the other pugs what they're doing and them leaving at the last boss.
its like paying somone to do a job
you pay somone to fix your car, they fuck up cant finish fixing it, do they go "eh i coudlent get it done, thanks for the money... bye!"
no... no you dident scam them... but come on... when you join somone planning to carry them through m+ they odviously wanted to complete intime, and not completing in time is not completing the service they paid you for
It is a scam, give me one real world example of being paid without delivering the goods isn't considered a scam. Failing to specify it should have been in time is no excuse. If you buy a car the seller can't say "but you didn't specify it had to work".
If you pay a taxi driver to drive you to important meeting on time and he arrives late, do you get a refund?
If you go to a doctor, he prescribes you medicine and it doesn't cure you, do you get a refund from the doctor or the pharmacy?
If you hire a private tutor to teach your child and the child fails the exam do you get a refund?
If someone is paying you to run them through a M+, you should know full well they expect you to beat the timer. A M+ isn't technically complete if you don't beat the timer. You trying to claim that they didn't specifically spell out that the timer had to be beaten means you're the one trying to scam the buyer. Or to break it down into a more simplistic example, would you expect to pay for a pizza that showed up 2 hours late and cold? Of course not, but I doubt you specify that your pizza must be delivered in a certain time. That reasonable time frame is implied when you placed the order.
See the example I just posted above. As for your examples:
When you hire a taxi, there is an expectation that they will get you to your destination in a reasonable amount of time. If you fail to get there in that time, and it's the driver's fault, you absolutely can dispute having to pay them.
If your doctor makes a mistake in their treatment, that's called malpractice and not only do you not have to pay, you can sue.
If you hire a tutor and they don't bother to teach your child what you paid them to teach, you can absolutely go after them for a refund.
Hiring a player to run you through a M+ always means beating the timer. That's because a M+ is never completed if the timer is not beat. If you don't beat the timer, you fail the dungeon, therefore no payment is due.
Last edited by Slicer299; 2017-01-23 at 03:10 AM.
Yeah, execpt in this case he paid 4 random people to do a job. The guy in question here did his best under the terms agreed, and was not at fault for the failure according to the info he's given. He even offered to meet halfway when things went sour despite not having to do so at all. Then the person paying lost their shit and tried to get angry about things that weren't agreed upon.
I don't see anything wrong with the OPs behavior(assuming he's giving us a truthful account).
I'm kinda baffled that some people are actually defending the buyer here. This is not a premade group carrying someone. It's a bunch of randoms who don't know each other being paid to run someone. How is it the OP's fault that the buyer hired other incompetent runners? Why is it okay for the buyer to be able to waste OP's free time?
The OP did his job. He joined the group and according to him, he performed his role. He was NOT paid to beat a timer on his own. He was paid to waste his time for the sake of another and perform his specific role, both of which happened.
He even offered to give half back or a re-run, which is way more than generous.
And some of these comparisons you guys are making are downright stupid. You're comparing the job of 1 (or 1 organization) to his situation which was the job of many. It's like some of you are under the idea that you're entitled to waste people's free time.
You honestly need to learn some reading comprehension
The only thing We have to Go on right now is:
The buyer Was advertising in Trade for People to join his mythic plus run for gold. That is all the op agreed to. If you Go out there and spend gold without laying your terms its 100% your own fault.
Last edited by mmocfe2bab4c21; 2017-01-23 at 04:34 AM.
a) Why would anyone buy a boost, when there's hundreds of boost groups going on at any given time (as high as 15s atm).
b) Why accept gold for a boost when you aren't able to do it on time? When i sold Challenge Modes on WoD we'd sure as fuck guarantee completing it on time, after practicing the run with 4 players, to ensure that even with the worst player ever, we'd make it. If something went really off, like a disconnect or something, we'd re-run it or just give back the gold for the particular run.
c) It all depends on the terms of the deal. Sometimes people just want to get boosted to complete a 10 or 12, or whatever, to improve the weekly chest... but if the dude wanted the timer to be beat... you should return the gold if you failed, and u arent willing to try again.
Was this a scam? No as long as the person hired played to the best of their ability.
Is the buyer right to expect a refund? No because they only hired one person. As soon as the pug players joined the group all expectations of an on-time clear should have been canceled.
Paying someone to fill a spot is not the same as paying a premade group to carry you.
It's like hiring a tank for instant dungeon queues back in the day (not sure if people still do it, but not the point). The tank is there for two reasons - to get you that instant queue and to perform his job as tank. He is not there to solo the dungeon for you if it's not possible to solo the dungeon for you. So if the group dies a lot and you ask for a refund, despite the tank doing his job, then he has every right to tell you no.