GOP House introduces bill to remove the US from the United Nations

[Torto]

I like that the people that threw a fit when Obama didn't veto the UN resolution on Israel are the same people now claiming the UN is pointless.

The UN has long been pointless. The Obama resolution disgrace only accentuated the point.

[Elegiac]

The UN has long been pointless. The Obama resolution disgrace only accentuated the point.

The UN is not pointless; a forum for discussion is far better than, you know, not talking to each other.

Moreover it discounts all the good done by UN organs such as UNICEF and UNESCO, and the WHO.

[Wells]

The UN has long been pointless.

You have this luxury because you aren't in a refugee camp, haven't been at risk of starving to death, or needed UN vaccines to not die to preventable diseases.

[Torto]

The UN is not pointless; a forum for discussion is far better than, you know, not talking to each other.

Moreover it discounts all the good done by UN organs such as UNICEF and UNESCO, and the WHO.

But it IS pointless. Like any bloated organisation that is beset with competing interests it has become paralysed with bureaucracy. It's a global version of the failed EU.

But here, take this opportunity to defend the UN and tell us how it stopped the Syrian war. Or any war for that matter. Maybe the Korean war? I honestly can't think of anything this waste of money has done that is worthwhile. People die from wars, famine and curable diseases and the UN, at great expense, does nothing but "talk" about it.

[Wells]

But it IS pointless. Like any bloated organisation that is beset with competing interests it has become paralysed with bureaucracy. It's a global version of the failed EU.

But here, take this opportunity to defend the UN and tell us how it stopped the Syrian war. Or any war for that matter. Maybe the Korean war? I honestly can't think of anything this waste of money has done that is worthwhile. People die from wars, famine and curable diseases and the UN, at great expense, does nothing but "talk" about it.

Again, this is objectively wrong. He even just listed a bunch of agencies that do things that actively make the world a better place for millions. You have the benefit of living in a developed nation, most don't.

[Kasierith]

And China and Russia rejoiced! Yaaaay

Even the most skeptical people identify that the UN is a platform for bigger nations posturing for influence over smaller nations. It is, if nothing else, a platform for the US to lord over the fact that put over 200 states in the same room, and America politically holds the biggest stick.

[Wells]

And China and Russia rejoiced! Yaaaay

Even the most skeptical people identify that the UN is a platform for bigger nations posturing for influence over smaller nations. It is, if nothing else, a platform for the US to lord over the fact that put over 200 states in the same room, and America politically holds the biggest stick.

Its always so god damn weird to me when Westerners want to tear down the global order "for the West's own good". The global order was created for and by the West.

[Kasierith]

But it IS pointless. Like any bloated organisation that is beset with competing interests it has become paralysed with bureaucracy. It's a global version of the failed EU.

There are very few things I enjoy more than people prostrating that the knowledge they have of the UN couldn't fill a small saucer, much less be enough to hold any sort of meaningful discussion over it.

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Its always so god damn weird to me when Westerners want to tear down the global order "for the West's own good". The global order was created for and by the West.

Criticism born of ignorance. Just as a tiny portion, WIPO, as one of the most prominent parts of the UN insofar as American interests are concerned, is based almost purely on protecting the intellectual property of developed nations especially in terms of its pharmaceutical and branding aspects, with just as one example being the prominent body involved in resolving the AIDS medication dispute when Brazil tried to say that they shouldn't have to respect American patent laws for live saving medication.

The World Bank is essentially authorized purchasing of influence.

ECOSOC is largely a platform for larger scale coordination of economic pacts, such as the US getting people on board for the TPP, and is dominated by regional economic powers.

Just as a few examples.

[Barnabas]

The UN is not pointless; a forum for discussion is far better than, you know, not talking to each other.

Moreover it discounts all the good done by UN organs such as UNICEF and UNESCO, and the WHO.

Then they can start a website forum and discuss things for far less. Outside of the P5 you really don't have much of a voice. Like the p5 countries can avoid punishment for bad behavior while the rest have to deal with it. The UN has no army to enforce anything. But you still want some very overpriced "discussion forum?"

[Volardelis]

So America wants to leave something they helped create?

America is fucked in the head

[Wells]

Then they can start a website forum and discuss things for far less. Outside of the P5 you really don't have much of a voice. Like the p5 countries can avoid punishment for bad behavior while the rest have to deal with it. The UN has no army to enforce anything. But you still want some very overpriced "discussion forum?"

You seem to think the UN is supposed to be some kind of world government.

[Volardelis]

its always so god damn weird to me when westerners want to tear down the global order "for the west's own good". The global order was created for and by the west.

times change!

[Barnabas]

You seem to think the UN is supposed to be some kind of world government.

Never stated that. I just said it really serves no other purpose than being an overpriced discussion forum. What worked in 1945 doesn't work today.

[Wells]

times change!

Especially when you punch yourself in the dick for no reason.

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Never stated that. I just said it really serves no other purpose than being an overpriced discussion forum.

Which is just a stupid, stupid thing to say. There are millions around the globe who are alive because the UN secured them food, medicine and shelter.

[Elegiac]

Never stated that. I just said it really serves no other purpose than being an overpriced discussion forum.

Again, the millions of people recieving aid from the various UN organs would disagree.

But hey, entitled white people gonna be entitled.

[Wyrt]

So America wants to leave something they helped create?

America is fucked in the head

Is what happens when crazy nationalists get in power.

[Barnabas]

Especially when you punch yourself in the dick for no reason.

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Which is just a stupid, stupid thing to say. There are millions around the globe who are alive because the UN secured them food, medicine and shelter.

So does feed the children, the bill and melinda gates foundation and countless other organizations. We don't need a UN anymore. Private sector and charities can fulfill that purpose without government.

[Wells]

So does feed the children, the bill and melinda gates foundation and countless other organizations. We don't need a UN anymore.

Not on even vaguely the same scale, and international charities often rely on the UN to enable and assist in their efforts.

I mean this forum is routinely full of people talking about things they don't understand, but this is extreme even by the usual measure,

[Logwyn]

But it doesn't matter who we vote for. They're the same!

False equivalence numbnuts are part of the reason we're getting all this nonsense right now, including nominations.

Yup. Anyone that thinks that voting for Trump was a vote against the Status Quo is misinformed. And it doesn't matter if you drain a swamp if all you do is just put more dirty water from a different pond. Its still a swamp.

Thing is the protests are great example of how the "ones in charge" have us divided and fighting against each other. And not really looking at the issues and such in an intelligent light. Its all how are emotions play into it.

[Auxora]

There's no reason not to be in the United Nations. All it is is a place for nations to sit down and talk things out.

Well that's not entirely true. The UN budget is split up between all the members with them determining how much of the bill each country has to pay. The US is always #1 on that list with the highest bill, usually around $3B a year. So a $3B a year bill is a good reason in the not to be category.

Although this "leave the UN" bill has been filed every year for the last 20 years, this is probably the best chance now it's ever had of passing. All they need is a simple majority in the House and Senate and for Trump to sign it (pretty sure he would, he's been vocal in his dislike of the UN). So without a single Democrat vote it could be passed.