Whitehouse Leaks

[Belize]

Uhhuh. Which is why you use a lot of the same language as the people calling him Hitler.

And you guys complained about Romney and Trump being flip flops.

I'm sorry I speak English, and that the words I use are an accurate description.

Perhaps you would like me to post in French. @Jester Joe, can I post in another language?

Btw, you're still generalizing. Keep digging your own grave.

[Jester Joe]

Perhaps you would like me to post in French. @Jester Joe, can I post in another language?

Signs point to no. Sorry

On topic, since I'm here already I guess, if this is all true, that's...well, I'd say more scarier than I thought, but I'm not quite sure I'm physically capable of feeling that scared.

[Dextroden]

I'm sorry I speak English, and that the words I use are an accurate description.

Perhaps you would like me to post in French. @Jester Joe, can I post in another language?

Btw, you're still generalizing. Keep digging your own grave.

I'm not supposed to care about hypocrisy, judging by the Democrats and their supporters being massive ones and not being allowed to criticise them.

And you abandoned that actions stance rather quickly after learning it applies to you. Stop calling everyone you disagree with a Trumpist and you just might look sensible.

[Belize]

I'm not supposed to care about hypocrisy, judging by the Democrats and their supporters being massive ones and not being allowed to criticise them.

And you abandoned that actions stance rather quickly after learning it applies to you. Stop calling everyone you disagree with a Trumpist and you just might look sensible.

Where did I abandon my stance? I still stand firmly that by your unshaking defense of Trump, you are, in fact, a Trumpist.

I disagree with Skroe, yet I don't call him a Trumpist. How odd, isn't it.

[Independent voter]

Where did I abandon my stance? I still stand firmly that by your unshaking defense of Trump, you are, in fact, a Trumpist.

I disagree with Skroe, yet I don't call him a Trumpist. How odd, isn't it.

Well, Skroe hates Trump.

[Belize]

Well, Skroe hates Trump.

Fine, I disagree with @Hubcap, and I don't call him a Trumpist.

[Dextroden]

Where did I abandon my stance? I still stand firmly that by your unshaking defense of Trump, you are, in fact, a Trumpist.

I disagree with Skroe, yet I don't call him a Trumpist. How odd, isn't it.

And you are in fact one of the people that called him Hitler based on you using the phrase Trumpist like it's going to become unusable in a month..

I'm sorry you can't accept that about yourself based on your actions.

[Belize]

And you are in fact one of the people that called him Hitler based on you using the phrase Trumpist like it's going to become unusable in a month..
I'm sorry you can't accept that about yourself based on your actions.

Yeah, ok, whatever helps you sleep at night. Everyone you don't like calls the people you like Hitler. I can live with myself just fine, but you seem to have a hard time not projecting on others. It's ok, we'll work on it, and you'll get better

[Darkeon]

Has anything been confirmed yet? Or is it yet another Fake Rumour #201007 about Trump to try to discredit him?

[Mormolyce]

I don't, actually. I'll look into that, thanks.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/27/po...mney-betrayed/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...llyanne-conway
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/...etary-of-state

It was pretty amazing to see factional backstabbing like that in broad daylight.

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Something something blue dog Democrats and RINOs don't exist.

Of course they exist, they're in control of the entire executive branch.

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What, you mean the exact same thing the Republicans did with Obama?

I'm glad you are so objective. LOL.

Hey now be fair, the Republicans never supported love and tolerance, peace and understanding.

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Which have yet to be proven or disproven.

I looked around online, Christopher Steele (the contractor and ex-MI6 agent hired to compile the dossier) is apparently still in hiding after his name was leaked to the press. No word on how the verification is proceeding.

P.S. Look what's in the news today:

A FORMER KGB spy chief suspected of helping Brit spook Christopher Steele compile the Donald Trump ‘dirty dossier’ has been found dead in mysterious circumstances.
The Sun reports that Oleg Erovinkin, described as a key source behind the widely discredited document, was found dead in the back of his car in Moscow on Boxing Day.

Media reports in Russia suggest his death was the result of foul play, reports the Telegraph.
A former general in the intelligence agency the KBG and its successor the FSB, Erovinkin was reportedly a key aide to former deputy prime minister Igor Sechin.
Erovinkin acted as a ‘go-between’ for Russian Presdident Vladimir Putin and Mr Sechin who is now head of the state-owned oil company Rosneft, it has been reported.
Mr Sechin was named several times in the dossier which contained lurid and unverified allegations against US President Donald Trump.
Former MI6 spy Steele reportedly claimed that he had a source close to Mr Sechin in an intelligence report from July last year.

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/...60d1f3fd603ddd

[Zandalarian Paladin]

By "shallow" I mean "shallow," the word I deliberately chose, presumably to express meaning in line with the meaning of that word and not some other word I didn't choose even though I could have, which is to say your arguments are superficial, facile, oversimplified. They are lacking in merit and reflect both a poor grasp of the situation and clumsy reasoning. You are in such a rush to promote "understanding" that you'd have us believe the path to such is smooth, even as we feel the car shake with every bump in the road. Even now, you seek to conflate extremely different terms in a flagrant display of disingenuous argument (or perhaps it's merely garden variety ineptitude) just so you can have your way in bifurcating the situation and casting me into the "bad" group.

If Donald Trump or anyone else is an x, then a person who voted for Donald Trump or anyone else voted for an x. What he means to them or why they voted for him is irrelevant and has no bearing on the truth of whether or not they voted for an x. If I voted for Charles Manson because I thought he was a really charismatic guy with the people skills we need to unify this country, it wouldn't change the fact that I voted for a cult leader and a murderer. Your version of understanding is actually anti-understanding that requires us to close our eyes and ears to the reality of the event that occurred in favor of recreating a new reality based only on professed intent. This is doublethink in action.

Get a clue.

Because your claims are subjective. Trump is not a racist. Trump is not a pathological liar. These are insults you throw at the character. Yes, he has narcissistic traits, yes he has a habit of lying, yes he's a nationalist.

You're making things bigger than they are and then call it shallow when it's painfully obvious.

[Sky High]

Trump is not a pathological liar.

dude, come on, this is just sad.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Learn how conditional statements work. Learn what "subjective" means.

We're falling in a burden of proof loophole.

You know my standing. You can say it's shallow. It's actually not the case.

And there's this article that is incredibly interesting. A sweet analysis of the current situation, which I adhere.

https://medium.com/@SeanBlanda/the-o...063#.gshktgev8

In bonus, here's a picture that perfectly illustrate our own bias against the other side:



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dude, come on, this is just sad.

Trump lies. He is not a pathological liar.

You lie. I lie. Nobody never lie.

We lie to protect someone. We lie to protect ourselves. We lie to preserve the feelings of our friends. We lie to look good socially (Oh I did not really support X you know?). We lie by omitting information.

We all do these. Lies are an integral part of human being.

Trump lies a lot. So are politicians. Does that make them pathological liars? No. That makes them selfish idiots, but not pathological liars.

[Sky High]

Trump lies. He is not a pathological liar.

You lie. I lie. Nobody never lie.

We lie to protect someone. We lie to protect ourselves. We lie to preserve the feelings of our friends. We lie to look good socially (Oh I did not really support X you know?). We lie by omitting information.

We all do these. Lies are an integral part of human being.

Trump lies a lot. So are politicians. Does that make them pathological liars? No. That makes them selfish idiots, but not pathological liars.

oh my Fuck, spare me this sanctimonious horse shit about other people lying. this isn't about people, this about one person in particular. one who ran on outright falsehoods, (tweeting crime statistics from white nationalists), conspiracy theories (the election is rigged! climate change is a hoax by the Chinese!, Ted Cruz' father shot JFK!), and lies (I'm going to put Hillary Clinton in jail, I'm gonna drain the swamp!). I mean what is the benchmark for going from lying consistently to lying pathologically?

[Zandalarian Paladin]

oh my Fuck, spare me this sanctimonious horse shit about other people lying. this isn't about people, this about one person in particular. one who ran on outright falsehoods, (tweeting crime statistics from white nationalists), conspiracy theories (the election is rigged! climate change is a hoax by the Chinese!, Ted Cruz' father shot JFK!), and lies (I'm going to put Hillary Clinton in jail, I'm gonna drain the swamp!). I mean what is the benchmark for going from lying consistently to lying pathologically?

I object the use of the pathological liar term. Trump does not lie consistently more than your average politician. Yes, I wish we could force these people to tell the truth, which is why I'm a huge proponent of transparency.

[Breccia]

Because your claims are subjective. Trump is not a racist. Trump is not a pathological liar.

"These claims are subjective, therefore, I can say he isn't racist and you can't contradict me."

Wow. That's some exceptionally poor logic.

[Sky High]

I object the use of the pathological liar term. Trump does not lie consistently more than your average politician. Yes, I wish we could force these people to tell the truth, which is why I'm a huge proponent of transparency.

If you can name another American politician in recent history who has coasted on more lies and dubious positions than Trump I'm eager to hear who. Me too, which is why I'm very concerned about this current administration.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

"These claims are subjective, therefore, I can say he isn't racist and you can't contradict me."

Wow. That's some exceptionally poor logic.

Not according to a dictionnary, no.

If you can name another American politician in recent history who has coasted on more lies and dubious positions than Trump I'm eager to hear who. Me too, which is why I'm very concerned about this current administration.

Bush. Clinton's (Both). And pretty much their whole team.

Burden of proof is irrelevant. My argument is not dependent on whether a specific instance of the general conditional happens to be true.

In other words, if you suspect him of X, then you consider him and the people who voted for him X.

[Breccia]

Not according to a dictionnary, no.

And you're attempting to defend it. Awesome.

You don't appear to know what "subjective" means, dictionary reference or not. So let's try it with a different example.

Someone -- possibly you -- says "BloodElf4Life is smart".

I respond: "Smart is a subjective term. So, I will now say that BloodElf4Life is not smart, and you can't contradict me."

Does that sound fair? It should not. Even giving you "racist is subjective" (we'll get back to that, don't worry) the very meaning of subjective as it applies in this case is "characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind" By saying "Because your claims are subjective. Trump is not a racist" (exact quote, go ahead and check) you are flat-out contradicting yourself, because you are using a version of racist that's not based on perception. The best you could possibly hope for is "I don't see Trump as racist" which would fit into the definition of subjective, as you are describing the term as you perceive it. But you went with a blanket, or objective, statement, despite calling the term subjective literally a few words before.

That is, as mentioned before, exceptionally poor logic and, based on your fondness for dictionary definitions and your ability to blow one that badly in one sentence -- well, nobody's going to say "BloodElf4Life is smart" anytime soon. Except maybe you, but then, the term is subjective.

But back to the racist label: I'll remind you that Trump is the only candidate in recent history that was actually taken to federal court for being racist, twice, and lost both times. That's a pretty serious stroke against him. But to stick with the subjective terms:
-- a USA today poll found that 47% of likely voters think Trump is racist, more than the 44% who say he is not. The majority of non-white likely voters all said he was racist.
-- a more specific poll referring to Trump's comments about a "Mexican" judge (American, just so we're clear) being biased because he was "Mexican" found the majority of Americans said Trump was being racist.
-- roughly two-thirds of young Americans think Trump is racist.
-- and this Vox summary article cites multiple polls that call out Trump's supporters as far more racist than the average American. You're free to defend that with "just because Trump's supporters are racist doesn't mean he is" but good luck with that.

But I'll end with another dictionary definition, since you're so fond of those. If you type into your toolbar "merriam webster definition" one of the first things that will auto-complete is "of racism". And here is the result:

"a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"

So when Trump:
-- uses "the" in front of words like "blacks" or "Hispanics" He even once said "Look at my African-American over here. Look at him!" when he had a sole African American in his California rally.
-- routinely had all the black people cleared from his casino floor when he entered the building
-- said, under oath, in court, that a group of Native Americans "don’t look like Indians to me"
-- when two of his rabid fanbase were arrested for beating a homeless man nearly to death, Trump said "I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate. I will say that, and everybody here has reported it" He did not condemn the attacks or the motivation.
-- called for the death penalty of the Central Park Five with a full-page ad and continued to insist they were guilty after they were freed on DNA evidence and paid by the state for wrongful imprisonment, saying "what were they doing in the park, playing checkers?"
-- called black people "lazy" in a 1991 book, and Trump said it was probably true in a 1997 interview
-- after the election, in 10 days there were 900 known hate crimes, 40% of which the attackers used Trump's name, to which Trump said this was a "small amount" and he said to them, exact quote, "stop it"
-- looks at Jeff Sessions (R-Alabama) who openly admitted wanting to join the KKK and said a white lawyer working for a black client was a race traitor
-- and hires white nationalist Bannon and puts him on the National Security Council
-- the entire Birther Movement
-- and, of course, don't forge the rapists

...are you still so sure he's not a racist? Because that's a lot of objective evidence he is.

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So apparently Trump is insane.



Crazy stuff eh?

As much as I hate Trump, this shits complete nonsense unless it can somehow be verified. Which it can't.
Are we gonna make a deal out of anyone claiming anything at any time, just becuase it fits what we WANT? That's the kind of shit nobody should be doing.