Trump Praises Putin

[Shalcker]

You don´t make any sense, like no sense at all.

Everyone is doing bad things, so let´s not look at russia as the boogeyman and keep doing bad things instead. Denounce friendships and piss of allies, sure will make the world more stable and peaceful. o_O

Why does not denouncing someone suddenly denounces existing friendship and alliances? Is it "Bully Club" where Western nations unite to denounce everyone else?

Humans can compartmentalize everything, "He can be trusted with this and cannot be trusted with that.", repressions against journalists don't stop you from using Turkey as ally (and a few deaths there could probably spun as "Erdogan killings" too by those against him), and how Putin deals with opposition in Russia shouldn't stop you from creating deal that includes Russia into process of solving Middle Eastern crisis.

[NED funded]

Do you happen to be new in MMOC? Only way I am able to understand your first reasoning to be actually true

On topic: Shitty move from a president of said country. However, let us not pretend if he had said the opposite that people, who normally are against him, wouldn't be accusing him of not pointing the bad the USA also does.

Considering the whole thing was on the O'reily factor and he is a republican, it would not even be a scandal.

[Shalcker]

Yeah, russia should be the first pick when fighting terrorism, not the countries that suround the area that houses all those terrorists, nope. Let´s pick the country that invaded and occupied parts of Ukraine.

Well, have you ever compared Russian capabilities and those of "surrounding countries"?

[Jimusmc]

Liberals have to stand opposite of Trump.

Trump says critical comment of America.

Liberals are more patriotic all of a sudden!

sounds about right

[Mayhem]

Why does not denouncing someone suddenly denounces existing friendship and alliances? Is it "Bully Club" where Western nations unite to denounce everyone else?

Humans can compartmentalize everything, "He can be trusted with this and cannot be trusted with that.", repressions against journalists don't stop you from using Turkey as ally (and a few deaths there could probably spun as "Erdogan killings" too by those against him), and how Putin deals with opposition in Russia shouldn't stop you from creating deal that includes Russia into process of solving Middle Eastern crisis.

I am talking about what he says and what he does. What is it worth that he says "the US did shady things too" while doing exactly those shady things? The answer about a russian ally and denouncing friendships and allies was in response to the poster who said this is a positive move because it does away with the russian boogeyman and might bring peace and stability to the world.

[Darkeon]

Considering the whole thing was on the O'reily factor and he is a republican, it would not even be a scandal.

It wouldn't be there, but it would once it would come out.

So I am not too particularly phased by the complaining coming from people that don't like Trump, they'd criticize it for either reason.

But critiques from the "America First"-crowd, yes, I find them to be completely viable. Not because of what he said is false, but because I don't think the president of any country should be throwing the country under the bus - for someone else of a different country.

[Espe]

“Well, you think our country is so innocent?”

Uh oh right-wingers, your inbred turnip god-king is turning on you!

[Mayhem]

Well, have you ever compared Russian capabilities and those "surrounding countries"?

As a whole, or country by country?

[The Emperor]

Now you are trying to put words into my mouth. He has authority over where they strike, that is a fact.

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There is nothing wrong with questioning the actions of your own government. That's not what he was doing. He was trying to defend the actions of a murderer, by calling out his own country. Now, if he wants to condemn both, great... but he didn't do that.

In such case I really hope that there's the same kind of condemnation reserved in your mind for US, because they too did a lot of "accidental" bombings, killing many civillians.

He wasn't protecting actions of "murderer" ffs, and besides, don't you think that there's enough of condemning Russia on mainstream media, so he didn't need to condemn them?? But at the same time there's this notion that what America does is alright, if they bomb the wrong guys, well, "mistakes happen" they will say(and give no apologies even), but there is no condemnation of the act on the scale that would have happened if Russia accidentaly bombed something.

So you gotta be honest - Russia is being shittalked everywhere on mainstream media, and Trump simply won't stand for it, because he knows this idiotic cold-war thinking belongs in history books of previous decades.

[Shalcker]

“Well, you think our country is so innocent?”

Uh oh right-wingers, your inbred turnip god-king is turning on you!

I think only left-wingers try to remain appearing squeaky clean all the time, right-wingers generally go with whatever works toward their goals even if not 100% morally right (though they would not pass opportunity to whitewash when given a chance).

[Thunderball]

There's a lot of political opponents who have found themselves very dead.

I hope you can name at least one.

[Shalcker]

As a whole, or country by country?

Should be ahead even as a whole.

Dealing with single entity when trying to get things done is generally easier then trying to juggle multiple smaller interests working against each other, as it happens in Middle East.

[Machismo]

In such case I really hope that there's the same kind of condemnation reserved in your mind for US, because they too did a lot of "accidental" bombings, killing many civillians.

He wasn't protecting actions of "murderer" ffs, and besides, don't you think that there's enough of condemning Russia on mainstream media, so he didn't need to condemn them?? But at the same time there's this notion that what America does is alright, if they bomb the wrong guys, well, "mistakes happen" they will say(and give no apologies even), but there is no condemnation of the act on the scale that would have happened if Russia accidentaly bombed something.

So you gotta be honest - Russia is being shittalked everywhere on mainstream media, and Trump simply won't stand for it, because he knows this idiotic cold-war thinking belongs in history books of previous decades.

I have no problem condemning the actions of my country, and I do it quite often. I like to be logically consistent. Personally, I think indiscriminately bombing women and children is a bad thing, regardless of the country or people doing it.

Russia is being shit talked, because they are doing some pretty shitty things. Not only are they trying to ostracize gay people in their country, but their bombing campaign in Syria is fucking terrible. Their leader has been in power for nearly two decades, and they continuously try to censor the media and restrict free speech. There's also the sudden fates that befall many of those who speak out against Putin. Now, Russia is not the only authoritarian regime, but they are one of the biggest.

Trump was straight up trying to defend his support for Putin. His defense was basically saying that lots of people are bad, so it's fine to admire him. That sets a pretty fucking low bar for what is deemed admirable.

[Deleted]

It's still way more credible than CNN mind you

No, it isnt. There is the truth and there are lies.

And no alternative truths.

[Machismo]

I hope you can name at least one.

Here you go:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/w...cs-poison.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-23343788

[ShadowofVashj]

You know, the Right's known for calling out their own as cucks, and how they truely believe the Left wants the US to get cucked by Muslim immigrants.

But they seem to have no problem watching their Overlord get down on his knees and suckle on that sweet Putin juice.

Projection at it's finest.

[stabetha]

Reason why I voted for Trump is because he reminded me of the "America's not the greatest country anymore" speech from The Newsroom.

If Obama said something like this Trump supporters would be losing their mind talking about how he isn't a real American.

and the Obama supporters would be defending it.

[Mayhem]

Should be ahead even as a whole.

Dealing with single entity when trying to get things done is generally easier then trying to juggle multiple smaller interests working against each other, as it happens in Middle East.

Considering Pakistan has about half of Russias military strength (going by military strength index), i doubt the region as a whole is behind Russia.

[Thunderball]

It wouldn't be there, but it would once it would come out.

So I am not too particularly phased by the complaining coming from people that don't like Trump, they'd criticize it for either reason.

But critiques from the "America First"-crowd, yes, I find them to be completely viable. Not because of what he said is false, but because I don't think the president of any country should be throwing the country under the bus - for someone else of a different country.

Agreed, but you should also consider the state that US has been put to under Obama. You cant even hope for the help of your allies with position. There is only one way to show that you're not all selfconcerned anymore, willing to solve problems together and take others' interests into consideration.

[Shalcker]

Here you go:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/w...cs-poison.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-23343788

Somehow Navalny being convicted in your seconds article didn't stop him from trying to go for President next time around... so much for intimidation.

His case was even sent to re-trial after his appeal to European courts succeeded and Russian courts actually listened...