Disney ditches Pewdiepie after anti-semitic stunt

[klogaroth]

It is not that amazing, my pronunciation sucks. The neo- prefix means 'new', it can't be new if it is the same thing as previously, that would just be the Nazis and wouldn't require the neo- prefix.

I don't think you'll get anywhere with the neo thing, but you are correct that there has to be a clear difference in order for neo to apply. Like with neo-shamanism. Shamanism ended. Then much later neo-shamanism started. It is not part of the same thing, it is something new using the original for inspiration. Same thing with neo-nazis. They are not a continuation of the National Socialist Party.

They are "new" because they exist after the fall of the third reich not because they don't have the same ideology...

Thus making the neo- necessary. Plus with a clear break it means that there has been the possibility of neo-nazis to pursue ideals that the original nazis didn't. They are inspired by them, but they can and do have some ideological differences. For example a greater tendency towards anarchism in some neo-nazi groups. That makes them quite different.

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

Why is Pewdiepie even popular at all? He makes weird annoying noises like a baby and plays video games in front of a webcam... Where is the talent exactly?

I am even surprised Disney considered him, or any youtuber, in the first place. We're talking about a kid who makes sex jokes, cusses a fuck ton, and plays violent video games... how is this Disney material?

Disney was an idiot for considering him on the first place

His videos were actually entertaining back when he was a smaller youtuber. Subbed to him when he was at 714k subs, and he was actually pretty funny. Quality went downhill after he did a collab with smush or whatever they're called. At that point they were the biggest channel on youtube, and practically all they did was act like morons, Pewdiepie copied their formula and now he's a multimillionaire.

Acting like a retard does seem to draw a big audience, Sodapoppin, Mitch Jones, etc. Seems to work just fine.

[klogaroth]

A clear difference being time, not a difference in ideology.

Right neo-nazis can't literally be in the Nazi party because it doesn't exist. It doesn't mean they are ideologically different.

See edit: Thus making the neo- necessary. Plus with a clear break it means that there has been the possibility of neo-nazis to pursue ideals that the original nazis didn't. They are inspired by them, but they can and do have some ideological differences. For example a greater tendency towards anarchism in some neo-nazi groups. That makes them quite different.

[Kalis]

How would you even know?

You admitted to having done nothing and one of the things you wanted to do, I have done. QED I have achieved more than you, by your own criteria.

I was quite obviously talking about the british government... It's not my fault your so patriotic you take any slight against your government as a slight against all the people that live there.

No, you were on one of your 'British people are evil' rants, as usual.

They would be nazis if the reich was still around, most of them would gladly serve under hitler. They are ideologically the same, they just lack power.

They are "new" because they exist after the fall of the third reich not because they don't have the same ideology...

They would be Nazis? So you are saying they aren't Nazis then...

[klogaroth]

Some, minor ones. That division existed in the original nazis too.

The context is different the ideology is much the same.

Perhaps the most important distinction is that in many cases they've moved from Aryan supremacy to general white supremacy. In particular in neo-nazis outside of Europe.

[klogaroth]

They still glorify Nazi germany, they still support the ideals of the reich. They are nazis.

If you're going to super in depth about the definition of neo you might want to look at the rest of the phrase. They are not national socialists. Hence the neo.

This does not make them any better.

[jackofwind]

Perhaps you should put a bit more effort into your mockery rather than mock me for something that i cannot change.

Your jokes lack depth or criticism of the nazi regime, is what i was saying, I would have thought that was pretty obvious.

But no you're just going to laugh at people for not being able bodied again. Nice.

If you want to mock me go for it, just try harder than school yard bullies do. You're "semi-retired" you should have at least 20 years experience on them.

Honestly I would mock you too, but it would get me banned for flaming.

Wait, you're upset that he made a joke about a Disney movie (relevant to the thread topic), that included a double-entendre pun about the height of the characters and Nazi propaganda (relevant to the thread topic).

You need to calm your tits. Making fun of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves isn't laughing at people for not being able-bodied any more than laughing at Dory in Finding Nemo is making fun of people with brain injuries.

[jackofwind]

They still glorify Nazi germany, they still support the ideals of the reich. They are nazis.

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Yep and if that's the most important distinction it doesn't stop them being evil and terrible.

It's such a semantic thing to get hung up on. These people would have happily served the reich. They want to bring it back.

There's still a difference in the two.

When you're talking about architecture you can't interchange neo-classical and classical styles. It's the same here.

[jackofwind]

try being the butt of these jokes for your entire life, you might change your tune.

The butt of the jokes? Are you making fun of people with butts? See, I can get upset about random shit too.

Are you telling us that you're somehow not able bodied and the mere mention of dwarves, in a movie that none of us made, offends you to the point that you will lash out? Does Gimli offend you too?

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You can't interchange architecture for ideology.

They are fundamentally different.

You can speak to the definitions of words, don't be obtuse. I obviously wasn't saying nazism was related to architecture.

Neo-nazi is different than nazi, if only in that it defines a new wave of it. Neo-classical is different than classical, if only in that it defines a new wave of it.

Words have meanings, use the right ones. Do what you can when you can to not appear foolish, because we all do that well enough by accident anyways.

[Kalis]

What have you done that I've wanted to do? I'm pretty sure I'd said that I hadn't done the things i wanted to do, not that i hadn't achieved anything.

Again it's your patriotism that stops you from realizing i'm criticizing the people in power not the people subject to that power.

They would be literal nazis and we wouldn't call them neo-nazis if the nazi party still existed. It's semantics. They are the same ideology, just lacking in power. That's why we call them neo-nazis.

Okay, you accept the Nazi Party doesn't exist and there is no Nazi regime.

So when I said "I don't need to criticise a regime that my grandfather helped bomb out of existence", i.e. Nazis, why did you mention neo-Nazis?

[Dextroden]

Many of them are national socialists though... Not all the nazis were national socialists in germany either. There were ideological divides in the Nazi party believe it or not. They had enough in common to work together.

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try being the butt of these jokes for your entire life, you might change your tune.

People actually have to be making jokes about you sweetness.

[Kalis]

try being the butt of these jokes for your entire life, you might change your tune.

You're a dwarf now? Your disabilities have magnified since last time. Or shrunk, depending on how you look at it.


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[Deleted]

Who said they weren't?

They weren't.

[Deleted]

Guess the antisemite's out-of-jail-card where you specify you only hate Zionists and not Jews doesn't work for a white man, even if what you did was just a prank and had no hate involved.

[jackofwind]

You're getting dragged into an argument because Kalis only wants to make fun of mine and other people's disabilities and get caught up in semantic arguments.

If you can't fathom why people are upset by being stereotyped and used as the butt of jokes because of things that are out of their control then god help you.

Yes it only defines a new wave of nazis, they are still nazis. Just like how 2nd wave feminists and 3rd wave feminists are still feminists.

Yes words have meanings, meanings that we argue about constantly, words and language are fluid.

You have zero knowledge of me or anyone else on the forums, and therefore have no idea who has what disabilities. For all you know I'm typing this with a straw.

In my experience Kalis isn't mean-spirited or hurtful to people, but I guess all I can say is that I'm sorry you see it that way.

[Kalis]

No? I'm just aware that small people exist and many of them do not like the stereotypes that have become commonplace because of things like snow white and fantasy.

They weren't real dwarves, you are basically offended on behalf of cartoon characters from the 1930s.

I will apologise to Dopey now. Sorry Dopey.

But Grumpy can go fuck himself, the miserable bastard.

[Strangebrew]

You need to calm your tits. Making fun of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves isn't laughing at people for not being able-bodied any more than laughing at Dory in Finding Nemo is making fun of people with brain injuries.

Oh, i'm sure he is just trying to pull Kalis into getting another ban by claiming Kalis is mocking and attacking him for being disabled.
Just standard SJW tactics, even though it's blatantly false and any sane person can see it.

[Verdugo]

Makes sense since Disney wants to avoid looking anti Semitic .

Walt Disney must be turning in his grave.

[Kalis]

Yeah walt disney created dwarfism. Before that there were no small people.

Seriously though, do you think you can make a joke that doesn't insult other people? Or would that require a level of creativity you're not capable of?

It was a joke about the Disney film...

Makes sense since Disney wants to avoid looking anti Semitic .

No wonder they rejected my idea for the film Snow White Supremacist and the Seven Untermensch.

[Deleted]

They weren't real dwarves, you are basically offended on behalf of cartoon characters from the 1930s.

I will apologise to Dopey now. Sorry Dopey.

But Grumpy can go fuck himself, the miserable bastard.

I'm a miserable bastard you can add me to the list of people offended.