‘Our land’: Russia tells US that Crimea won’t be ‘given back’ to Ukraine

[Keeponrage]

well what the fuck were they doing in Ukraine then?

no, it's more like "wtf Ukraine were doing in Crimea". Caervek summed it all up like 10 times already in past few months.

[Crispin]

There were significant programs to return displaced Tatars back there after fall of USSR too.

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You say Russians should value opinions of minorities in Crimea, yet you ignore opinions of Russians - whom you seem to consider minority on world stage.

again it's not their opinion that's ignored, it's the way it was handled (not gonna get anywhere untill you understand such a simple concept)

[Deleted]

A Chinese majority in east Russia would be fine to put forward a referendum to join China?

Did they live there before? Nope. Did that land belong to China before? Nope. Are they majority? Nope. Not a valid comparison.

[Crispin]

no, it's more like "wtf Ukraine were doing in Crimea". Caervek summed it all up like 10 times already in past few months.

The Soviets gave it to them, god I'm gonna have to charge you people soon for giving you history lessons this often.

[Charge me Doctor]

On Tuesday, White House spokesman Sean Spicer told reporters that US President Donald Trump has been tough on Russia and expects Moscow to “return” Crimea to Ukraine.

“President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea,” Spicer said. “At the same time, he fully expects to – and wants to – get along with Russia.”"

Doesn't make any sense. How exactly russia "returning" crimea to ukraine is going to de-escalate anything? If anything, people of donbas will be eaten alive if this ever happens.

[Natylyaz]

To show that land didn't belong to current owners. If you come to someone else's land and demand independence from those who lived there, it should be treated as invasion. Which does not apply to Crimea because tatars used to live there. But bad shit happened to tatars during USSR times, which is not fault of people currently living in Crimea.

Which is why I feel that the only acceptable solution for Crimea would have been independence from both Ukraine and Russia.

[Deleted]

again it's not their opinion that's ignored, it's the way it was handled (not gonna get anywhere untill you understand such a simple concept)

It was handled in only way possible that didn't result in any deaths. They tried to handle it civilized way for 20 years since USSR collapse. You won't get any further without reading history of Crimea during post-USSR times.

[Flarelaine]

Did they live there before? Nope. Did that land belong to China before? Nope. Are they majority? Nope. Not a valid comparison.

Actually, much of Siberia belonged to China legally until Russia rolled in and said "yo, this is our land now". And while they may not be the majority now, check back in 10 years. The entire fucking Russian Far East, which is half again as big as the entire EU, has 6 million inhabitants.

[Charge me Doctor]

A Chinese majority in east Russia would be fine to put forward a referendum to join China?

Chinese "majority" is not exactly legal here, if they are going to "vote" for anything, they will get expelled back to china.

And to begin referendum they will need to be... well, you know, their own unit, like crimea was - a republic, they decide to gtfo of Ukraine, and this time they couldn't waltz in on tanks and force everybody into submission like they did in 1992

[Aggrophobic]

Please, feel free to point out my hypocrisy.

There is no point in arguing with him. Whatever Putin does can never be wrong in his head. He could litterally blow up half the world for no other reason than having a bad day and this guy would find it acceptable if not the greatest achivement ever.

He's so indoctrinated it's silly.

[caervek]

There were significant programs to return displaced Tatars back there after fall of USSR too.

It's also worth noting that the were Tatars in favour of rejoining Russia in the polls too (due in part to Ukraine discriminating against them after taking over Crimea).

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Which is why I feel that the only acceptable solution for Crimea would have been independence from both Ukraine and Russia.

Yes, that would have been acceptable. However majority of people living in Crimea are Russians. Why can't they join Russia?

[Keeponrage]

The Soviets gave it to them, god I'm gonna have to charge you people soon for giving you history lessons this often.

Ukraine used force in order to suppress their rightful actions towards independence. Also, transfer of Crimea to Ukraine also wasn't done completely legit.

[Machismo]

Examples please, not hypothetical scenario. Also check historical facts before saying "Chechnya".

Well, for starters, we have the actual Soviet Union, and continued threats of violence for leaving it. We have Chechnya... Russians really don't like to let people and land go.

[Crispin]

Did they live there before? Nope. Did that land belong to China before? Nope. Are they majority? Nope. Not a valid comparison.

They live there know, that's what matters right? otherwise Germany also have a right to claim koenigsbourg if that's a criteria, parts of Russia have been parts of China before, tje majority they can change. So 50 years from now it's a go?

[Machismo]

There were significant programs to return displaced Tatars back there after fall of USSR too.

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You say Russians should value opinions of minorities in Crimea, yet you ignore opinions of Russians - whom you seem to consider minority on world stage.

I think they should have their opinions, I'm just not a fan of taking away the freedoms of innocent people.

Not hypocrisy, try again.

[Flarelaine]

They live there know, that's what matters right? otherwise Germany also have a right to claim koenigsbourg if that's a criteria, parts of Russia have been parts of China before, tje majority they can change. So 50 years from now it's a go?

Much less. Russian Far East has 6 million inhabitants. The neighbouring 3 Chinese provinces have 100M and they're on the move.

[Machismo]

Chinese "majority" is not exactly legal here, if they are going to "vote" for anything, they will get expelled back to china.

And to begin referendum they will need to be... well, you know, their own unit, like crimea was - a republic, they decide to gtfo of Ukraine, and this time they couldn't waltz in on tanks and force everybody into submission like they did in 1992

Well, so much for that freedom the Russians are talking about.

[Crispin]

It was handled in only way possible that didn't result in any deaths. They tried to handle it civilized way for 20 years since USSR collapse. You won't get any further without reading history of Crimea during post-USSR times.

How about this, Russia openly admits to secure Crimea by force from until shit calms down in Ukraine and begin working diplomatic connections to give the Crimeans a referendum in the future.

Yeah no deaths either, but no lets do a shadow invasion and a quick referendum based on no deaths in crimea instead.

[Deleted]

They live there know, that's what matters right? otherwise Germany also have a right to claim koenigsbourg if that's a criteria, parts of Russia have been parts of China before, tje majority they can change. So 50 years from now it's a go?

You are selectively ignoring parts of post. None of those cases any any relevant. Stop shitposting.