Neo-Nazi gets punched in the face while handing out racist fliers at campus

[Nitro Fun]

So you don't think people who call for genocide is scum? Nazis are not scum?

Well now I know where you are coming from and feel this discussion has run it's course.

If you're the instigator, attacking someone who hasn't hurt anyone, you're the scum. That's pretty clear, yes? What happens when they defend themselves?

[primalmatter]

I think this is a thing everyone can get behind.

Maybe at the end of the day we are not so different after all...

[Tijuana]

I don't think that's been true of most Americans for a while now.

We live in dark times.

[Xeones]

Maybe at the end of the day we are not so different after all...

I'm one of those people who laughs when people get what is coming to them. I make no claims to be the best of people.

[Canpinter]

I don't think that's been true of most Americans for a while now.

i doubt its ever actually been true for most people

[Nitro Fun]

I'm one of those people who laughs when people get what is coming to them. I make no claims to be the best of people.

Then you'll laugh if someone is imprisoned for punching nazis, yeah?

[Bapestar]

defending someone's right to political speech isn't the same as defending the ideology.

I despise the WBC, but I don't believe the answer is to punch them. Besides, don't get it twisted, you aren't punching anyone.

Neither do I, but I'm not going to be surprised if it does happen.

[Mehrunes]

Jesus, I never fully realized just how many sexual insults we have until you put it all together here.

How... can one even miss it? All things related to sexuality, be they body parts, sexual orientation or what have you, are kinda the backbone of insults. At least before Internet language came about with its creative word creation.

[Xeones]

Then you'll laugh if someone is imprisoned for punching nazis, yeah?

That is just a feeling of indifference.

[Dug]

Well, I do wonder what will happen when these people start suing the cities, schools, and states for not protesting them while they are engaged in legal political speech, it's how the WBC got rich after all.

You come call me when the police stop doing their job and arresting people that are assaulting others. Police in this case were ready and willing to start the investigation and Adolf jr. didn't want to so...

And again^99 free speech is an issue between you and the government. It does not protect you from the consequences in public/private society. No one has to give you a right to spew hate filled rhetoric and while you do have a right not to get punched (assault, not freedom of speech) it's going to happen from time to time.

[Nitro Fun]

That is just a feeling of indifference.

So you lied?

[Xeones]

So you lied?

You are equating a situation that has some comedic value to one that has none.

[Nitro Fun]

You are equating a situation that has some comedic value to one that has none.

There would be comedic value in criminals getting what they deserve, listening to their protests how they should be exempted because it was a nazi they punched.

[Garnier Fructis]

Maybe at the end of the day we are not so different after all...

Well no shit, we aren't all Buddhists here.

[Garnier Fructis]

How... can one even miss it? All things related to sexuality, be they body parts, sexual orientation or what have you, are kinda the backbone of insults. At least before Internet language came about with its creative word creation.

Missing the forest for the trees, mostly.

[Canpinter]

You come call me when the police stop doing their job and arresting people that are assaulting others. Police in this case were ready and willing to start the investigation and Adolf jr. didn't want to so...

And again^99 free speech is an issue between you and the government. It does not protect you from the consequences in public/private society. No one has to give you a right to spew hate filled rhetoric and while you do have a right not to get punched (assault, not freedom of speech) it's going to happen from time to time.

it can be both assault and a freedom of speech issue. if you punch me to take my wallet that assult, if you punch me to stop me from making a political statment that's assault and restricting my ability to speak.

[Lynarii]

"It's okay to physically assault someone if you don't agree with them!" - Liberals

Seriously, how aren't people on the left standing up to these sort of things? You might not agree with what the person is saying, however you need to defend their right to say it, otherwise if and or when free speech is illegal, what happens when the coin flips, and speaking out against actual issues becomes punishable?

Speaking as someone on the left, I am disgusted by this. I hate neo-nazis, I think they're competitive for some of the worst people on the entire planet, and I think that their continued existence is a testament to how shitty Western civilization can still be at times. So the fact that some wannabe vigilante asshole has put me into a situation where I'm forced to defend a nazi bothers me to no end. Because there are tons of appropriate responses to a nazi passing out fliers, and 'putting on a mask and punching him in the face before running away' is NOT one of them.

And for anyone saying violence is okay because nazi have a history of violence themselves, there's a significant gulf between a clear and present threat and a theoretical one. Bluntly, it's not illegal to want someone to die (most of us, at one point or another when we were very angry, have secretly wished someone else would just die). It IS illegal to draft up a plan to murder someone. The 'here is how I plan on doing it' is kinda a critical threshold where it transitions from thought crime to actual crime. If there is any evidence that the guy passing out fliers has ever done, or seriously planned, violence he should be arrested and thrown in jail. But that still doesn't make a vigilante punch acceptable. Punching him doesn't make anybody safer, if anything, it puts people in greater danger because it gives him and his ilk something to point at to justify any violence they want to do in the future.

[Xeones]

There would be comedic value in criminals getting what they deserve, listening to their protests how they should be exempted because it was a nazi they punched.

I don't know why you think a trial is funny? Unless they do or say something funny/stupid but that isn't a guarantee.

[Mehrunes]

Turn of the century Germans thought they were above inhuman barbarism too.

I assume you are talking about the turn of 19th and 20th centuries, in which case this is somewhat weak example because their thoughts aside, they were already engaging in it at said turn of the century, long before the Nazis. Modern day US, somewhat less so.

[Nitro Fun]

I don't know why you think a trial is funny? Unless they do or say something funny/stupid but that isn't a guarantee.

It's always funny when criminals get punished for their crimes.