7.2.5 Havoc changes incoming

[Murdnunoc]

I am no fan of momentum. Pre-7.2, I ran Demonic, even in raids. It was a fun spec with decent numbers on most fights, and stupid numbers on some fights (skorp). I don't have the eye beam legendary yet and just recently got AotHG (currently using bracers / AotHG). Since 7.2, I've switched back to Felblade/Demon Blades/bloodlet build because I couldn't get close to the same numbers as before and my guild just started to get into Mythic raiding.

I'm hoping they bring Demonic back up because I really enjoyed it, but not holding my breath.

Demonic is simming very close to CB/Nem (in some cases higher). I'm not sure why you think it is lower now as the new traits actually gave it a decent buff. Try simming a 3310313 build compared to the standard 2220311 build and you should see similar results. For demonic I used AotHG and for me the shoulders simmed highest although I'm sure belt/sephuz would work too.

[Blackrobe]

Demonic is simming very close to CB/Nem (in some cases higher). I'm not sure why you think it is lower now as the new traits actually gave it a decent buff. Try simming a 3310311 build compared to the standard 2220311 build and you should see similar results. For demonic I used AotHG and for me the shoulders simmed highest although I'm sure belt/sephuz would work too.

Granted, I've gotten more gear / AP levels since 7.2 launched, in fact I just unlocked the final new trait a few days ago. I just resimmed myself in my currently equipped gear; Demonic (3310333) is slightly ahead, 1% difference, in ST vs what I am currently using (2230311). Mythic+ / MT fights are 3330313, likely due to the bracers that I've currently got equipped. Thanks for the suggestion to resim!

[Cymorìl]

No offense, but it sounds like you're playing the wrong class, mate. The simplistic rotation is intentional. It's not changing. You gotta understand that not everyone is looking for complex gameplay. Not everyone even raids, outside LFR. It really sounds like you would prefer playing a Rogue.

I may agree with you on pve side, you can learn fights, tanks can move bosses on a more comfortable spot and so on but... But..
in arenas you'll never face a static player and you can't play momentum correctly. We have only one dps spec and if you don't let also pvp players to play it optimally, there's a big problem imho.

[ehxy]

Let's be real here. The only class you need to face the demon threat are warlocks. Demonhunters all flash that's fun to play but I mean warlocks and warriors just do it better.

[Zasriel]

Latest PTR update:

Blade Dance Strike all nearby enemies for (576% of weapon damage [ 3.000 * 96% of weapon damage + 288% of weapon damage ) Physical damage, and increase your chance to dodge by 100% for 1 sec. 35 Fury. Instant. 10 sec cooldown.

What's this mean? Tooltip change? Or actual change to the skill?

[ChakanDH]

I'm more interested in the prepared buff - could be wrong, but to me an extended/stackable buff momentum change could be coming....

[Shirofune]

I'm more interested in the prepared buff - could be wrong, but to me an extended/stackable buff momentum change could be coming....

Nah, they just overbuffed Prepared in the last build and now are tunning it.

If our "major overhaul changes" are bringing DB to 100% that would be kind of sad.

[Pigglix]

Imo the only way of momentum be ressed is if demon speed reset the fel rush charges and if it get buffed to 25%.

Also, the change to Blade's dance is a nerf or a buff? Seens like a nerf..but ehh..too late in the night to do maths.

[Kheirn]

Latest PTR update:

Blade Dance Strike all nearby enemies for (576% of weapon damage [ 3.000 * 96% of weapon damage + 288% of weapon damage ) Physical damage, and increase your chance to dodge by 100% for 1 sec. 35 Fury. Instant. 10 sec cooldown.

What's this mean? Tooltip change? Or actual change to the skill?

Tooltip change. The math works out to be exactly the same. 3*96 = 288, 288 + 288 = 576.

[Izao]

Imo the only way of momentum be ressed is if demon speed reset the fel rush charges and if it get buffed to 25%.

Also, the change to Blade's dance is a nerf or a buff? Seens like a nerf..but ehh..too late in the night to do maths.

They could increase the buff duration, which could greatly increase uptime. The thing I hated most about the momentum build was simply keeping track of momentum's short windows VS my GCD.

[Avalos]

Through all of Alpha and 7.0.5, when Momentum was a thing, where was the people that claimed DH was simple?

Everywhere, much to my annoyance. People were completely ignorant of the nuances of the momentum build that gave it a high and rewarding skill ceiling.

[gaaara]

Tooltip change. The math works out to be exactly the same. 3*96 = 288, 288 + 288 = 576.

What exactly is the point of doing that break down? Are they changing perhaps the way the ability interacts with targets? Like first 3 targets?

[Svisalith]

What exactly is the point of doing that break down? Are they changing perhaps the way the ability interacts with targets? Like first 3 targets?

Go and hit something with Blade Dance & First Blood - the ability does different amounts of damage per hit depending on the part of the cast that you're in IIRC

[Hotzz]

So i take my time end donwload the PTR, try 10 times the ST rotation... end up I realized we lost lost about 5% on overall damage.

I try it with belt + fury nerfed ring....

All the 10 trys on the dummy take 4 minuts, just time for the CD of meta come back

on ptr, all the trys end up with 780k overall damage.

On live, same gear, rotation and skill points, 820k overall damage.

I holpe that blizzard dont nerf us that hard, and give us some more stuff to manage fury (the new set i belive will not be that solution...will see)

[Extremity]

What exactly is the point of doing that break down? Are they changing perhaps the way the ability interacts with targets? Like first 3 targets?

It lets them change the damage dealt independently of weapon damage, when before it had to be a predetermined percentage of weapon damage.

[saidolol]

when its all done, the ring will actually give -fury lol.

[Extremity]

when its all done, the ring will actually give -fury lol.

The ring will add 0.001 to 0.999 Fury to each attack. It will be super useful to mathematicians.

[saidolol]

haha 10/10

[MisterBigglez]

So i take my time end donwload the PTR, try 10 times the ST rotation... end up I realized we lost lost about 5% on overall damage.

I try it with belt + fury nerfed ring....

All the 10 trys on the dummy take 4 minuts, just time for the CD of meta come back

on ptr, all the trys end up with 780k overall damage.

On live, same gear, rotation and skill points, 820k overall damage.

I holpe that blizzard dont nerf us that hard, and give us some more stuff to manage fury (the new set i belive will not be that solution...will see)

Don't forget that on live, its all RNG, you wont be pulling 820k every time. I found that from testing it myself that it was a slight increase to my dps and that was only with the ring legendary because the shoulders are not working on the ptr, but again, RNG is RNG.

At least there won't be such a huge difference between pulls and if we fall behind, blizz will just do an all round buff like they usually do.

[Deleted]

We cant get more f***ed.. doesnt get much worse... :P doesnt matter that much from now on tbh

Can't get more fucked than being in top 5 damage specs?