If Le Pen Wins

[Pengekaer]

3 of the 4 highest polling candidates are rigth-wing(economics), why pick out Le Pen?

Because national identity, also an abstract idea, is one that most people support to some extent and the idea of a French nation, a French state, even the french language, is currently challenged by demographic alterations. Le Pen is the only candidate that is willing to take it in her shoulders to adress this.

[Damajin]

Please, do explain.

You could have read the other quote I responded to after yours in the same post for your answer.

[Aggrophobic]

You could have read the other quote I responded to after yours in the same post for your answer.

I did but you make no sense.

[Felya]

Because national identity, also an abstract idea, is one that most people support to some extent and the idea of a French nation, a French state, even the french language, is currently challenged by demographic alterations. Le Pen is the only candidate that is willing to take it in her shoulders to adress this.

That doesn't make sense. You are posting on an Internet forum, that is international and you are posting in English. Why are for policy, that doesn't match your actual actions?

[Macaquerie]

Because national identity, also an abstract idea, is one that most people support to some extent and the idea of a French nation, a French state, even the french language, is currently challenged by demographic alterations. Le Pen is the only candidate that is willing to take it in her shoulders to adress this.

The only time in recent history that the French nation was actually under threat of being wiped out was during the Vichy era, but of course the FN think that was just a grand old time that everyone should be proud of.

[Pengekaer]

That doesn't make sense. You are posting on an Internet forum, that is international and you are posting in English. Why are for policy, that doesn't match your actual actions?

What..? /10chars

I acknowledge that most people, including myself, have an inherent need/desire to belong to a nation (basically just a tribe with formal institutions) and because of that, I cannot write with people from other countries, in English?



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The only time in recent history that the French nation was actually under threat of being wiped out was during the Vichy era, but of course the FN think that was just a grand old time that everyone should be proud of.

I am not aware of FNs stance on the Vichy government. I doubt they approve of it, but I could be wrong. If I were to take a guess, a party like FN would not approve of a German puppet government like the Vichy simply for reasons of national pride ;-)

[Felya]

The only time in recent history that the French nation was actually under threat of being wiped out was during the Vichy era, but of course the FN think that was just a grand old time that everyone should be proud of.

The French culture, just like majority of the world, has been under attack since WW2. French culture has not been nearly impacted by Muslims, as it has by America. They can kick and scream all they like. But, while they kick out the immigrants, they will continue to worship American idols. Will continue to buy American products. Will continue to play online games and post on forums, in English. They can keep kicking people out, while seeking purity that simply cannot exist without similar censorship of the internet as there is in China or Korea. The vehicle driving multiculturalism and destruction of your culture is already in your home... you are touching it now...

[Pengekaer]

Also protip - Frenchies are the last people on Earth who should be trying to act all tough and edgy, you don't scare anyone and only make yourselves look silly.

I am not French.

[Acidbaron]

I want a Slavic federation.

So you complain about europe and how it is unfair, but you want the most corrupt nations to unite and you believe it to net a better result.

Alrighty than.

[JohnBrown1917]

Because national identity, also an abstract idea, is one that most people support to some extent and the idea of a French nation, a French state, even the french language, is currently challenged by demographic alterations. Le Pen is the only candidate that is willing to take it in her shoulders to adress this.

Good thing most French people dont support her on that.



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Oh wait, you're not even French lol, but you think can decide what politician is 'best' for them.

[Deleted]

Tbh, I think in the grand scheme of things, this is much ado over nothing:

-The French 2-round system is heavily rigged against non-centrist candidates, the last time Le Pen (her father) got to the second round he was against a right-wing candidate and he got absolutely smashed in the second round because a lot of leftists voted for the lesser evil, so far the only chance Le Pen has to win the second round is to get matched up with a candidate who is as left as she is right (melanchon), however right now he doesn't seem to have the votes. Every second round matchup between her and macron (center-left) and fillon (right) has her getting smashed, since FN is almost nobody's second choice

-Even if the FN wins, Le Pen has said that she wants to organise an in/out referendum and if she doesn't get a mandate to leave the EU she will resign. I highly doubt that even in the case she wins that there are enough votes to leave the EU, since her winning will probably serve as a rallying cry for people who are politically uninterested to come out and vote, same as what is currently happening in the US.

[Wolfman31]

Hopefully! Borders should exist for a reason. They preserve the individual identity of a people. The European Union is an affront to true diversity. It's just consumerist monoculturalism trying to reduce the world to one government, one people, one marketing strategy, and one currency. It's the slow decay of everything that makes the human cultural experience a spectrum of diversity in the first place. And it's odd to see so many self-identified Liberals getting on board with this agenda. Liberals are supposed to care about liberty and diversity but here they are willing to sacrifice all that so the mega-corporations they claim to hate can tighten their grip on global commerce and herd the citizens of the world like cattle. And then they have the audacity to scream at conservatives calling them fascists for trying to stop this type of "progress"? What a joke and what a disgrace to what Liberalism used to be about. I used to be a liberal until that side of the spectrum was hijacked by privateers who've brainwashed their constituents into changing the definition of liberalism.

While I don't fully agree with Le Pen's politics, at least she's willing to draw a line in the sand and protect the French people, their culture, and their way of life from further erosion. France should stay French and anyone wanting to live there should want to be French and adopt its culture and customs as their own. Those refusing to properly integrate should migrate somewhere else. Otherwise, all you're trying to do is establish your own culture within another country's borders like colonists, which has always been a goal of the Muslim religion. It is a globalist religion, much like Christianity in that respect. They both seek total world conversion because in their eyes, anyone who doesn't convert is an infidel or a sinner. But the French people are largely non-religious because they had this little thing called the Age of Enlightenment awhile back that agents of Islam in France will never accept. They will never fully integrate with French culture and the French people, and yet they should receive the benefits of a society they fundamentally reject? Why should the French people pay to support foreigners who are fundamentally anti-French?

[Felya]

What..? /10chars

I acknowledge that most people, including myself, have an inherent need/desire to belong to a nation (basically just a tribe with formal institutions) and because of that, I cannot write with people from other countries, in English?

Yeah, it's exactly what I am saying. The 'what' just confirms you don't recognize it. No shit you cannot write in French and communicate with other cultures. Good luck maintaining your cultural purity, while succumbing to others culture... because unlike your demand, people that share your language is not exclusive to your actual life, just the immigrants. You do know there are forums and games that are in French and respect your culture?

[Acidbaron]

Because national identity, also an abstract idea, is one that most people support to some extent and the idea of a French nation, a French state, even the french language, is currently challenged by demographic alterations. Le Pen is the only candidate that is willing to take it in her shoulders to adress this.

And offers no solutions on the matter and only points fingers to past administrations, since that's what a party with no real experience in politics can do, play the tabula rasa card. You're also speaking of the candidate that openly endorses Bashir's solution to dealing with "domestic terrorists".

[Pengekaer]

Yeah, it's exactly what I am saying. The 'what' just confirms you don't recognize it. No shit you cannot write in French and communicate with other cultures. Good luck maintaining your cultural purity, while succumbing to others culture... because unlike your demand, people that share your language is not exclusive to your actual life, just the immigrants. You do know there are forums and games that are in French and respect your culture?

I am not french and I feel free enough to engage in conversations in other languages, thank you. What culture am I succumbing to, American digital imperialism? The computer is just a tool, like a hammer, it is what we make it to be.
I know what comes next, the "ahahaha you dont realize you're brainwashed" but I am going to tell you one thing, ice-brain: you are on MMO-champ yourself meaning that by your own logic, you are also under the sway of American imperialists?

the FN think that was just a grand old time that everyone should be proud of.
The French culture, just like majority of the world, has been under attack since WW2. French culture has not been nearly impacted by Muslims, as it has by America. They can kick and scream all they like. But, while they kick out the immigrants, they will continue to worship American idols. Will continue to buy American products.

Well, you're on a computer-game forum dealing with an American MMO. Way to go! Now, I advice you take your meds.


Bah, to hell with this! I surrender (what a very French thing to do..), just ban me now. I dont care.

[Macaquerie]

The French culture, just like majority of the world, has been under attack since WW2. French culture has not been nearly impacted by Muslims, as it has by America. They can kick and scream all they like. But, while they kick out the immigrants, they will continue to worship American idols. Will continue to buy American products. Will continue to play online games and post on forums, in English. They can keep kicking people out, while seeking purity that simply cannot exist without similar censorship of the internet as there is in China or Korea. The vehicle driving multiculturalism and destruction of your culture is already in your home... you are touching it now...

I think French people are just fundamentally pissed that they lost out to the Anglosphere when it came to establishing the standard of global culture, which is why they get so pissy over speaking English and the like. And in that respect, it's sort of understandable, France was promoting secularism and globalism when the rest of Europe was still ruled by authoritarian monarchies, and they helped lead the charge for international cooperation. They probably expected that French would be the world language and that people would be looking to the ideals pioneered by the French Revolution to be the foundation of the liberal world order, rather than everybody twisting themselves into mental pretzels trying to find inspiration from dull British texts.

[alexw]

lol, an immigrant slav against immigration that use nazi argument of eugentic for slav suprematism

this is social satire, cant be serious xD

I've always found it odd the way far right neo-nazism has taken root among Eastern Europeans, and more strongly than practically anywhere else, given the way the original version considered them subhuman and consequently targeted them for mass extermination. Literally, if what they advocate now had had its way 70 years ago absolutely none of them would be alive, as their parents would have gone to the gas chambers or been worked to death years ago.

I can only presume its a result of communism which had such a hold over their nations for so many years. Its bred in to them a liking for authoritarianism and order, and since they rejected the left wing version of that, well its time to try the right-wing one.

[satimy]

I'm intrigued, what is this last chance consequences? Is France going to collapse into ruin or something?

French identity and culture will die eventually

[Jastall]

The FN is weird though, because what kind of nationalist party looks back fondly on the days of the Vichy regime, when France was at its lowest point as a country and little more than Nazi bootlickers?

I have an idea as to the real answer to that question, but some people won't like it.

Anyways, I doubt Le Pen will be the end of the EU. A potentially serious blow to the idea, definitely, but France is way too connected to the Union to let a President run roughshod over it. It's not like the Brits which always kept Europe at arm's length.

[Deleted]

I love how she refused to wear the veil. She is the one france needs. Le pen is mightier than the sword !