Spoiler the true leader of Kingdom of Lordaeron is alive! to me i was shocked

[Friendlyimmolation]

You are correct on those counts, but that doesn't negate her claim. Further, agnatic primogeniture succession (which is 99% of all King based succession in fantasy settings) is preference for first born sons, with bastards and daughters in the event of the lack of a male heir.

That's a moot point though as I'm pretty sure no one on the WoW team has really given succession law that much thought when making the game.

Either way telling forsaken you have a rightful claim to a land they live on is probably the best way to hear what Forsaken laughter sounds like.

[Blckdrgn]

Either way telling forsaken you have a rightful claim to a land they live on is probably the best way to hear what Forsaken laughter sounds like.

Oh absolutely. I just feel from a creative/storytelling standpoint, the claim still existing creates a more compelling narrative than bringing back an "old" character and then immediately removing the interesting aspect of it in the same breath.

[derpkitteh]

Calia isn't. And even if she were, WTF would the Forsaken give a shit about someone who did nothing for them. Sylvanas freed them and kept them safe for a decade.

freed them and used them as a vehicle for vengeance and self-preservation*

the forsaken people mean nothing to her. only her continued life and power matter.

[Friendlyimmolation]

freed them and used them as a vehicle for vengeance and self-preservation*

the forsaken people mean nothing to her. only her continued life and power matter.

That hasn't been the case since her short story.

[Blckdrgn]

Oh absolutely. I just feel from a creative/storytelling standpoint, the claim still existing creates a more compelling narrative than bringing back an "old" character and then immediately removing the interesting aspect of it in the same breath.

In the same vein of this, the Magni comic upset me in the exact same way. Everything that was compelling about the event of Magni coming back from the Diamond was instantly swept away in the next panel.

[derpkitteh]

That hasn't been the case since her short story.

everything she has done since cata has been to keep herself alive. it's why she wanted eyir.

[Friendlyimmolation]

everything she has done since cata has been to keep herself alive. it's why she wanted eyir.

and again, read the short story, or pay attention to the quests. Her whole legion bio even wouldn't be written the way it was if she only for herself. Not sure why this false point always comes up.

[Thage]

If you knew the lore, you'd know that she renounced her claim to the throne and is now a priest.

This. She has no interest in ruling Lordaeron; from what we saw in Arthas: Rise of the Lich King, Terenas made no effort to groom her as an heir. Her lot in life was ultimately to be married off in a political union, at the time she was slated to be wed to Lord Davel Prestor before he turned out to be Deathwing in disguise (and Lord Prestor went missing in the Second War, only for his daughter Katrana to make herself known in Stormwind after the Third War's conclusion where she and Bolvar co-served as regents to the throne). She outright tells your priest when you first meet her that she feels Arthas has irredeemably tainted the Menethil name.

That being said, she's also a prime candidate for the new Archbishop of the Church of the Holy Light; they've been in need of a good replacement since Benedictus went all crazytown bananapants and joined the Twilight's Hammer cult. I could see her, after Legion, taking up residence in the Cathedral and possibly marrying Anduin in a political union so he can ascend to King properly (alternately, Tess Greymane might end up being the one he weds to solidify Gilneas and Stormwind's newfound closeness).

If anything, Blizzard seems to be setting Nathanos Blightcaller up as Sylvanas's replacement (either so she can focus on being Warchief, pull a sacrifice, or because she's gonna go all crazytown bananapants on us), as it seems his newly revitalized body has brought with it some doubts that he didn't have prior to the new short story starring him.

[The One Percent]

Oh look, another one of these Alliance fanboy threads where they sit in a circle jerking off about taking over Lordaeron from the Forsaken. Even if the Alliance had the resources to launch a campaign against the Forsaken (spoiler alert: they don't) during the Legion invasion and whatever is next to come, you really think they stand a chance against Sylvanas and her Forsaken going all out on their home turf? Not to mention, even if the Alliance did somehow overcome the Forsaken forces, you really think Sylvanas won't use all of her blight? If she can't have Lordearon, no one will. The land will be ruined and uninhabitable for centuries to come, and depending on how much she has, the destruction may spread well beyond even the current Forsaken borders.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Oh look, another one of these Alliance fanboy threads where they sit in a circle jerking off about taking over Lordaeron from the Forsaken. Even if the Alliance had the resources to launch a campaign against the Forsaken (spoiler alert: they don't) during the Legion invasion and whatever is next to come, you really think they stand a chance against Sylvanas and her Forsaken going all out on their home turf? Not to mention, even if the Alliance did somehow overcome the Forsaken forces, you really think Sylvanas won't use all of her blight? If she can't have Lordearon, no one will. The land will be ruined and uninhabitable for centuries to come, and depending on how much she has, the destruction may spread well beyond even the current Forsaken borders.

The Blight would certainly do damage but not for centuries. That's a bit overkill.

[Dellis0991]

Calia renounced her claim to Lordaeron, it isn't worth fighting over the blighted, haunted hellscape...the humans could never and WON'T attempt to invade lands they could never use. Plus alliance would suffer really big lost from plague bombardment. Lives throw away for land with absolutely no value for the living.

[Derah]

with what forces would they defend their selves? the val'kyr are almost gone

Citation needed.

No more valks have died since Cataclysm. While Sylvanas wants to make more (as she does have a limited number, smaller than a dozen) her current number are still able to do what they do best. If anything, denying the forsaken more corpses for the valks to reanimate would be the ideal way to combat them. If the alliance pushes in, all they're doing is feeding meat to the grinder.

the rest of the horde's weak as shit still from civil war

Nope. Only orcs sided with garrosh, everyone else didn't. And even then, a blue poster already said that only a MINORITY of orcs sided with Garrosh, certainly not enough to cripple the orc military. Its the key reason he was deposed so quickly.

and the draenor campaign.

You mean the same campaign that the alliance participated on? Any losses the horde suffered there were also suffered by the alliance.

forsaken and blood elves should have the strongest forces in the horde now, and that's not enough to stop the dwarves, humans, worgen, and gnomes all at once.

Right, because the dwarves, humans, worgen, and gnomes etc suffered absolutely zero losses during the pandaria campaigns.

not to mention the fact that they'd have zero support from any neutral organization when it's revealed what they have done down there.

Neither would the alliance. Hint: They're called "Neutral" organizations because they are....... you know....... NEUTRAL. They don't take sides.

i hate the faction war, i want it over with. but the horde would get its shit pushed in if the alliance wanted to go balls deep right now.

And yet in the first skirmish between alliance and horde since the end of the war in pandaria, the horde managed to take down the most powerful flagship of the alliance, and then proceeded to blow up the last of their naval battleships.

[MrKnubbles]

Wait, where did you get this information?

[Hctaz]

freed them and used them as a vehicle for vengeance and self-preservation*

the forsaken people mean nothing to her. only her continued life and power matter.

Except for that part in Stormheim where she says she will do anything for the preservation of her people.

[George Costanza]

I am shocked people are passionate about Blizzards Current lore.

[Combatbutler]

I am shocked people are passionate about Blizzards Current lore.

There hasn't been really good overall lore in the warcraft universe ever since wow was introduced, though like with every xpack some parts of legion are quite good.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

There hasn't been really good overall lore in the warcraft universe ever since wow was introduced, though like with every xpack some parts of legion are quite good.

Depends on who you ask. Asking here is almost like asking Reddit.

[StationaryHawk]

In the same vein of this, the Magni comic upset me in the exact same way. Everything that was compelling about the event of Magni coming back from the Diamond was instantly swept away in the next panel.

The dwarves are united for the first time in what, centuries? Magni would have to be ignorant beyond all belief to attempt to reclaim his throne, knowing that it would divide them again.

Certainly, Calia must know that any attempt to reclaim Lordaeron for herself would result in terrible losses, regardless of whether it's possible.

Nope. Only orcs sided with garrosh, everyone else didn't. And even then, a blue poster already said that only a MINORITY of orcs sided with Garrosh, certainly not enough to cripple the orc military. Its the key reason he was deposed so quickly.

You don't have to be on the losing side to suffer losses, although I agree that those suffered by the rebellion would not "cripple" the Horde.

[Darsithis]

Wait, where did you get this information?

She's in the priest order hall

[Aquamonkey]

freed them and used them as a vehicle for vengeance and self-preservation*

the forsaken people mean nothing to her. only her continued life and power matter.

So what? The Forsaken people don't know that. Also, it's not true since Cata.