You can buy boe's, loot runs for dungeons and raids, so there is an advantage. I have not heard anyone claim that it was really bad what blizzard is doing atm, but, it still is p2w and there is a place for abuse in this system.
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There isn't a real problem, its just what this thread is about "what is p2w and does it happen in wow". There are p2w aspects in this game, yet some people go through mighty lengths to somehow try to disprove this.
The only people who are legally allowed to sell gold is blizzard, the rest that sold gold for cash are criminals.
What you or i think of these people doesn't really matter, as it has no bearing on the whole p2w thing.
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
Yes, you used to be able to buy boe's, but you could not buy the gold (legally) to obtain them.
Why do you dislike the people buying small amount? I don't get it either way, as i can buy what ever with my ~2m. But it seems to me that people who try to buy a real advantage for a world first or what ever should be even more despicable then some dude that likes to play the /roll game in /general.
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They sell an item that is worth allot of gold for real cash, so yea, they sell gold.
Or you do none of that, buy the gold, buy the power and spend that time farming mythic+ instead for ever more power. Time is at a premium when there is any sort of race going on, be it local race with the guilds of your realm or the race for world first.
BRF epics from BMAH when Highmaul opened. They were pretty much instant goldcap bids. Some guilds/players were even repeatedly transferring realms to buy everything they can from everywhere they can.
But as i've said, by that logic nothing would be out of bounce, you could literally sell bis gear before you even finished leveling your toon and it would still not be p2w.
Im not sure what you trying to say with that, but correct, if there is water in the air that doesn't make the air water. But it does make the air moist.
All in all i do not think it matters what you describe a "win in wow", anything that will give you an advantage over someone who didn't pay this premium could be considered a win.
Why are you repeating your scenario again?
I took your scenario and removed "buy gold" part and it's the same scenario with the same outcome, thus buying gold has nothing to do with it.
So not the best gear. Which anyone could've bought or farmed in BRF. Totally not pay 2 win.
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
So people playing the game and earning gold is the same as buying gold? The whole point of the gold buying is that they do not have to spend time on the AH or farming. You can't remove buying gold from the scenario because you are then just left with people playing a game without buying anything.
No, it isn't. "Pay to win" means that you can use money to buy all the best gear without having to enter a raid.
The game is nowhere near close to "pay to win" as raiding is still the best/fastest way to get the best gear possible.
When we start to see people decked out in mythic raiding gear while never having entered a mythic raid...then we'll talk.
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lol..no you can't. You need skill and LOTS of gear that you can only get in mythic raids. You can't buy gear in the quantity or quality that you need to have any advantage over anybody that raids end game.
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Yes, the sub-par legendaris that you can equip a max of TWO. That isn't "pay to win" in the least, lol
I don't think you can grasp the concept of what "pay to win" is. 2 940 pieces via gold or via rng are not "game breaking" or "pay to win".
The rest of your gear can still suck.
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They aren't game breaking and people tend to get caught and lose everything. Also, those cheaters are bots that farm shit...and it isn't 905+ gear. lol
You can buy up to two sub-par legendaries that don't compare to the RNG ones that drop....great.
2 sub-par legendaries are NOT "pay to win". You aren't suddenly going to go in and start clearing mythic raids with ease because of it and it doesn't add a ton of damage to your character. You are acting like 2 sub-par legendarys are going to add 100k+ damage to your char when in reality the sub-par ones....don't add all that much.
You can have two sub-par legy's and still only be ilvl 850...you aren't going to go around stomping shit and raiders (especially mythic) are still going to crush you in dmg.
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ANY achievement has a price tag on it? Did you kill Mythic archi last x-pac? Have you killed mythic Guldan? Have you killed anything mythic?
If a world first guilds chooses to sell runs then that is their business....blizzard didn't do that. Gone to the extreme? Wow, you people obviously don't raid if you think that 2 legendaries makes your character "super uper powerful"....because they don't. lol
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Not with 2 legendaries you can't(even the best ones that require rng) and most people aren't in the "top 20%" so...nice try...but fail. Also, the top 20% does actually require a bit because you are ahead of 80% of the player base. lol Your math and logic fail.
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This ^^^^^^^^ Those legendaries are meant to be replaced by GOOD legendaries and legendaries are NOT the "end all be all". You can still have low/shitty gear and still suck on the meters with your two legys OR you can just be a terrible player.
how do you reckon wow is p2w? lol
Pay 2 Win, certainly not. But Pay for an advantage - exclusive Cosmetics, exclusive Pets, exclusive Mounts, Gold for cash, Special Services, etc, yes.
Blizzard is the Master of the fine art of getting your customers to pay for additional, digital content, without giving the illusion that you need it to be part of the game. Just look at the sales numbers of the Pets and Mounts.
lol because the gear that you can buy is obsolete compared to raid gear and the raid gear BoE's that you CAN get are not enough to deck your character out in the best gear. A few extra high ilvl pieces on a player with mostly low ilvl gear and low skills are NOT going to break the game and it does NOT make it "pay to win". lol
The only people that think so are the noob players who don't understand how much their damage pals in comparing to a mythic or even heroic raider even with a handful of 900+ BoE's and 2 shitty legendaries that they bought with gold. There is a REASON you can buy those legys and it isn't because they are meant as a "stand in" until you get lucky enough to get a REAL legendary.
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and not a very bright one at that....
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Blizzard can't prevent endgame guilds from running people over content that they no longer find relevant. That isn't a "pay to win" system implemented by blizzard at all. It is endgame guilds who want to make money for their guild or themselves and it is not on such a scale that suddenly every LFR noob is suddenly going to be decked in 905+ gear. Most people in WoW don't have the money that those guilds are asking for for a single run through. It used to cost you 1-2 million gold if you wanted a mythic archi run from the best guilds/guilds who had it on farm long enough.
You still don't know what "pay to win" is and blaming blizzard fro the actions of a handful of guilds that benefit only the few extremely rich is NOT anywhere near the same thing as me going to a blizzard store and buying all 905+ gear without stepping foot into a raid.
So, NO. WoW is not "pay to win"...never has been.
This is definitely not the same.
You go to the shop and buy an item like "+100% damage for 1 hour" for $$$ - this is pay to win
You receive gold from shop and then actually PLAY to get gear (you have to be in time, you have to play your character, boss might not to drop an item you want), does not matter boosted by someone or not - this is not pay to win.