Anti-EU folks, a Question

[Kiri]

I thought Nazi Germany would keep that under check.

In that case, everybody should have gone through a polygraph.

Polygraph? You mean the thing that might tell you that a plant is lying? Even with today's technology, those are not reliable.

Nazi Germany did have tighter control after it came to power. But by that point, they sent out people to beat up members/supporters of other parties and openly voting against them could get you disappeared.
Thus, stoning voters of those 'elections' would be tantamount to 'I am gonna kill you for re-affirming a party that would fake the results anyway because you did to not want to be punished'

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Yeah, i know what you want to talk about. I just said you want a race discussion, and here you are.

Isnt that a topic for /pol/ or some right wing filter bubble on facebook or twitter?

What do you think you will achieve in a gamer forum?

It's not a race discussion, but a discussion about a state for a people. That's totally acceptable. Sorry to hurt your feelings!

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Polygraph? You mean the thing that might tell you that a plant is lying? Even with today's technology, those are not reliable.

Nazi Germany did have tighter control after it came to power. But by that point, they sent out people to beat up members/supporters of other parties and openly voting against them could get you disappeared.
Thus, stoning voters of those 'elections' would be tantamount to 'I am gonna kill you for re-affirming a party that would fake the results anyway because you did to not want to be punished'

It would be better than nothing.

We should have given a polygraph full trust, and sorted out individuals based on the results.

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It's not a race discussion, but a discussion about a state for a people. That's totally acceptable. Sorry to hurt your feelings!

Sure it is a race discussion. As you ask for a own country for a specific race. That doesnt change no matter how much you try to redefine terms.

I just wonder who you think will read your racist claim. Do you think this forum is full of putinesque autocracy lovers who only want to see the EU to suffer?

What illusion do you live in, beside the idea a dictatorship could be any alternative to a democracy?

[Muzjhath]

I've always thought it was funny that socialists and leftists support the EU. Seem contradictory.

Most left leaning parties in Europe tend to be anti EU as they tend to be less free-trade based and have historically seen the EU as a tool to suppress workers. Instead of, you know, being forward sighting and use it as a tool to protect workers rights. They have over time gotten a bit better at it.
Same with many green movements in Europe. The Greens here in Sweden used to be fiercely anti EU until they realized that if they could influence green think in Europe they could have a far better impact.
The EU will represent the people who vote in national elections and for EU-MPs. To bigger and smaller degrees. There are also issues that should never be on that level of government as it just can't be responsive in minutia. Bum-fuck Sweden needs different things than bum-fuck Spain that needs different things than Frankfurt Germany.

One of the biggest reasons that the workers from low pay countries can come and work for small wages is that the left wasn't active enough in working to protect salaries how ever they were based from the European parliament.

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Sure it is a race discussion. As you ask for a own country for a specific race. That doesnt change no matter how much you try to redefine terms.

I just wonder who you think will read your racist claim. Do you think this forum is full of putinesque autocracy lovers who only want to see the EU to suffer?

There's nothing wrong with having a country for a specific race or ethnicity. The issue here is how the country will be, not how the race itself will be. Race discussion is about the races themselves, while things pertaining to such races can be discussed.

Very nice attempt again, but do try harder!

[Kiri]

It's not a race discussion, but a discussion about a state for a people. That's totally acceptable. Sorry to hurt your feelings!

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It would be better than nothing.

We should have given a polygraph full trust, and sorted out individuals based on the results.

Polygraphs only serve to reinforce notions you already have, really. A good liar can easily lie to a poly, while a particularly scared or confused person registers as lying more often than not. And given that the people that you want to do this were heavily prejudiced towards Germans anyway, there would likely not be any justice to be found there.

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There's nothing wrong with having a country for a specific race or ethnicity.

But race threads are against the forum rules, AFAIR. I am not the one to judge that, but i just quote the forum rules here.

So if you want to talk about an own country for a special race only, you probably are better suited with a forum full of nationalists.

I heard russia has its own "social media" full of racist demagogy.

Just give it a try.

[Xarkan]

It's not a race discussion, but a discussion about a state for a people. That's totally acceptable. Sorry to hurt your feelings!

The rule is not about race

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Not saying it applies but arguing it is about an ethnic group and not a race is .. futile

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Polygraphs only serve to reinforce notions you already have, really. A good liar can easily lie to a poly, while a particularly scared or confused person registers as lying more often than not. And given that the people that you want to do this were heavily prejudiced towards Germans anyway, there would likely not be any justice to be found there.

That's just how things are in this unjust world. But at least we would have gotten many Nazi voters, and that would have been a good thing.

Now, for all we know, their psychopathic genes have been passed to many other generations.

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But race threads are against the forum rules, AFAIR. I am not the one to judge that, but i just quote the forum rules here.

So if you want to talk about an own country for a special race only, you probably are better suited with a forum full of nationalists.

I heard russia has its own "social media" full of racist demagogy.

Just give it a try.

It isn't a race thread, as it doesn't discuss the nature of the race, just a political issue pertaining to it.

E.g.: US cops shoot minorities at higher rates!

That's not a race thread as such. It doesn't discuss races, just political issues pertaining to them.

Interesting attempt, but can improve for sure!

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Now, for all we know, their psychopathic genes have been passed to many other generations.

Oh, now it is getting interesting. There is a gene for psychopathy?

If you talk about MAOA-L, that one isnt enough to turn people into psychopaths.

It isn't a race thread, as it doesn't discuss the nature of the race, just a political issue pertaining to it.

Well, it is about race / ethnicity, see the quoted rules. As i said, there are a lot of nationalist and racist forums , i am sure you are better suited there. Also you will probably find other right wingkins who share your idea of an "aryan slavic nation".

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Oh, now it is getting interesting. There is a gene for psychopathy?

Genes determine to a large degree personality traits. That's why you may observe in some populations more aggressive people than others, more open people than others, and so on.

If a population chose Hitler, surely it has do to partially with their genetic make-up.

Well, it is about race race / ethnicity, see the quoted rules. As i said, there are a lot of nationalist and racist forums , i am sure you are better suited there. Also you will probably find other right wingkins who share your idea of an "aryan slavic nation".

I don't care about "aryan" stuff. I also hate that word. I care for Slavs and want us to have a united homeland. Easy peasy.

[Acidbaron]

I like how this thread got derailed by it's own creator.

10/10, nice race bait topic mate.

[Xarkan]

Oh, now it is getting interesting. There is a gene for psychopathy?

If you talk about MAOA-L, that one isnt enough to turn people into psychopaths.

If there was would there be cause to lament the lack of use of polygraphs before they saw common use to take away the fundamental rights of democracy to keep your vote hidden so you can cast it by conscience and not by fear of reprisal?

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Genes determine to a large degree personality traits. That's why you may observe in some populations more aggressive people than others, more open people than others, and so on.

Genes define everything physical, but they do not define becoming a psychopath alone, as psychology is based on experiences we had in life.

So no, even if Adolf Hitler had a son, there is no way to say he also would have become a mass murderer only because his father was. Your understanding of genetics fits to your disinformed opinion about races and ethnicities.

Oh, and the consequencies from german "Rassenkunde" show the opposite to everything you assume out of genetics.

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I like how this thread got derailed by it's own creator.

10/10, nice race bait topic mate.

I'm just replying, it's not my fault they keep talking about race.

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Genes define everything physical, but they do not define becoming a psychopaths alon, as psychology is based on experiences we had in life.

So no, even if Adolf Hitler had a son, there is no way to say he also would have become a mass murderer only because his father was. Your understanding of genetics fits to your disinformed opinion about races and ethnicities.

50% or more, maybe even 70%+ of your personality is determined by genes. It matters a lot.

It's about likelihood, not guaranteed outcome.

[Xarkan]

If a population chose Hitler, surely it has do to partially with their genetic make-up

Are you really going to accuse an ethnic group of genetic inferiority / defects?

[Deleted]

Are you really going to accuse an ethnic group of genetic inferiority / defects?

I'm not accusing them, just saying there's a reason for voting Hitler.

Can you imagine someone living today actually had a parent or grandparent who voted for Hitler?! That is SCARY.

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50% or more, maybe even 70%+ of your personality is determined by genes. It matters a lot.

No, it doesnt. You dont know what you talk about.

Also, it is interesting how you moved the topic from your racist request to create an "aryan slavic state" to gene psychology.

[Acidbaron]

I'm not accusing them, just saying there's a reason for voting Hitler.

Can you imagine someone living today actually had a parent or grandparent who voted for Hitler?! That is SCARY.

Not more scarier than the ultra conservative views displayed by people of power in eastern europe, as it's the same ideology.

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Can you imagine someone living today actually had a parent or grandparent who voted for Hitler?! That is SCARY.

My grandfather voted for Hitler. I dont. Oops, seems your gene theory just had a major setback.

The more interesting part is that you seem to share many of Hitlers ideas. And even think you arent a nationalist.