Ex-CIA chief John Brennan: Russians contacted Trump campaign

[Stacyrect]

Sorry but a cartoonist that literally stroked Trump's ego the entire time of the election, really isn't someone you should be using. Especially considering every fucking day, there is something new to add to the investigation and collusion story.

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Actually, it is against the law to talk to foreign government as an unauthorized private citizen. Which they were until they got their security clearances, which apparently they lied on, WHICH IS A FUCKING FELONY. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

It's illegal to make promises, not discuss policy positions.


Also, something new is added to the investigation and collusion story. It just isn't evidence, just more crack pot conspiracy conjecture.

[Orbitus]

It's illegal to make promises, not discuss policy positions.


Also, something new is added to the investigation and collusion story. It just isn't evidence, just more crack pot conspiracy conjecture.

No, you think it is crackpot conspiracy conjecture. But hey, you are not very well known for living in this reality. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15S0BR Flynn discussed sanctions. US Officials have transcripts of him doing so in these calls.

[Stacyrect]

Yes we all know this. You are trying to insinuate that Russia would blackmail Flynn over brief mentions of sanctions in which nothing was promised. That's absolutely ridicules. Flynn was cleared. He resigned because he mislead everyone. He would still be working in the Trump administration had he simply said yeah I discussed sanctions very briefly. He stated that he he had not, when he had. That's what those transcripts prove. Nothing in those transcripts is blackmail material. You've been duped by fake news man.

[Orbitus]

Yes we all know this. You are trying to insinuate that Russia would blackmail Flynn over brief mentions of sanctions in which nothing was promised. That's absolutely ridicules. Flynn was cleared. He resigned because he mislead everyone. He would still be working in the Trump administration had he simply said yeah I discussed sanctions very briefly. He stated that he he had not, when he had. That's what those transcripts prove. Nothing in those transcripts is blackmail material. You've been duped by fake news man.

Flynn was cleared? Then why the fuck is he asking for immunity? Why the fuck is he being subpoenaed by investigators? Sorry, I don't watch fake news like you. You apparently live in bizarroland where everyone is innocent even in the face of all the evidence.

[Stacyrect]

Flynn was cleared? Then why the fuck is he asking for immunity? Why the fuck is he being subpoenaed by investigators? Sorry, I don't watch fake news like you. You apparently live in bizarroland where everyone is innocent even in the face of all the evidence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.1132cb3c6c52


Try to keep up, you are months behind in this conversation

[Skandulous]

How many times must we go over the fact that candidates and campaign members do talk to members of foreign governments during an election?

Also, here is the video


skip to 2:30

Trey Gowdy is included in the investigation so i wouldnt trust anything he has to say.

[Stacyrect]

Trey Gowdy is included in the investigation so i wouldnt trust anything he has to say.

So you don't trust the video evidence in front of you? You just believe whatever you want. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Skandulous]

So you don't trust the video evidence in front of you? You just believe whatever you want. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

I trust the part where the ex CIA director said there was communications between Russia and Trump campaign members.

[Shalcker]

I trust the part where the ex CIA director said there was communications between Russia and Trump campaign members.

All that means is that they literally talked.

And nothing else people love to imply.

If they would be actually colluding Kushner wouldn't need to talk about secure channels after Trump won - they would already have some.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Dead horses are issues that have no life, no updates, that someone keeps bringing up. This issue with Russia we keep getting new evidence, new events, new knowledge at least once a week, often more frequently.

Benghazi and emails were beaten dead horses. Even after the investigation concluded and no new information was coming out, conservatives kept screaming about how guilty Hillary was. You know, in direct conflict with the findings of investigations.

In this case the horse is still running at full tilt. More new information comes out about Russian collusion each week that just confirms more and more what has been suspected all along.

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All that means is that they literally talked.

And nothing else people love to imply.

If they would be actually colluding Kushner wouldn't need to talk about secure channels after Trump won - they would already have some.

Why were these channels never disclosed or talked about? Why did Trump's team try to keep them such a massive secret?

You'd think "normal diplomatic channels" would be mentioned when going through security clearances and information briefings, like the usually are.

[Shalcker]

Why were these channels never disclosed or talked about? Why did Trump's team try to keep them such a massive secret?

Because there was nothing. No channels were established in the end. It was suggestion that wasn't followed upon.

Best way to keep secret is to don't have any relevant to witch hunt.

You'd think "normal diplomatic channels" would be mentioned when going through security clearances and information briefings, like the usually are.

Do you also need to mention hypothetical channels?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Because there was nothing. No channels were established in the end. It was suggestion that wasn't followed upon.

Best way to keep secret is to don't have any relevant to witch hunt.

Do you also need to mention hypothetical channels?

You're also supposed to mention any meetings with foreign officials for any reason when applying for security clearance, which none of them did. And no, "Nothing ultimately came of the meeting so we didn't report it" isn't a reason to not report it, not even Trump's team is using that as an excuse. It looks really bad.

[Shalcker]

You're also supposed to mention any meetings with foreign officials for any reason when applying for security clearance, which none of them did.

Actually they ASKED about it and were said they didn't have to report every interaction.

And no, "Nothing ultimately came of the meeting so we didn't report it" isn't a reason to not report it, not even Trump's team is using that as an excuse. It looks really bad.

Only "looks". That's it. There was nothing that can actually get them.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Actually they ASKED about it and were said they didn't have to report every interaction.

Only "looks". That's it. There was nothing that can actually get them.

That's what investigations are for, after all.

[Shalcker]

That's what investigations are for, after all.

Quoting CNN:

Sessions initially listed a year's worth of meetings with foreign officials on the security clearance form, according to Justice Department spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores. But she says he and his staff were then told by an FBI employee who assisted in filling out the form, known as the SF-86, that he didn't need to list dozens of meetings with foreign ambassadors that happened in his capacity as a senator.

After CNN's story published, a spokesman responded to the reporting with a statement, saying that Sessions was instructed not to list meetings like the ones with Kislyak on his form.

"As a United States Senator, the Attorney General met hundreds -- if not thousands -- of foreign dignitaries and their staff," spokesman Ian Prior said. "In filling out the SF-86 form, the Attorney General's staff consulted with those familiar with the process, as well as the FBI investigator handling the background check, and was instructed not to list meetings with foreign dignitaries and their staff connected with his Senate activities."

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Kushner prematurely submitted his SF-86 form without listing foreign contacts and had to notify the FBI the next day that he was willing to provide the information. Flynn is under investigation for not properly disclosing payments linked to Russia for his foreign trips.

Guess FBI decided that if they will have to actually check seven years worth of Senate meetings they'll not be finished until Trump's second term ends...

And i guess most people don't actually understand those forms; perhaps not even FBI knows every "gotcha" there, and it is likely a lot of stuff is up to whoever is performing check to decide if it is worth or not worth saying "all clear" or "looks suspicious"... with odds obviously stacked toward "all clear" for Presidential nominees unless you're 100% sure of something improper.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Buh buh, CNN is fake news, can't be trusted - except when you arbitrarily deem they can be of course.

It won't take til Trump's second term to go through those meetings. And there's plenty more damning things pinned to Sessions and Flynn. They're already fucked, we're just finding out how fucked they are.

[Orbitus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.1132cb3c6c52


Try to keep up, you are months behind in this conversation

And yet, since then he asked for immunity, and has invoked the 5th amendment, and now was subpoenaed. But if anyone needs to fucking keep up, it is you.

[Shalcker]

Buh buh, CNN is fake news, can't be trusted - except when you arbitrarily deem they can be of course.

If you don't trust anything, even "93% negative Trump coverage" media, why do you trust them when they say "it is damning! (say unnamed current and former officials)" ?

I think it just goes with "whatever confirms what i already believe gets accepted, whatever disproves it gets denied/handwaved". Nothing to do with source.

It won't take til Trump's second term to go through those meetings.

Clearly you know better then FBI guy who helped them fill the form. Or Comey who asked for additional resources...

And there's plenty more damning things pinned to Sessions and Flynn. They're already fucked, we're just finding out how fucked they are.

Can you name those "plenty of more damning things"? Because so far "not fucked at all" would be my bet.

[unfilteredJW]

I think it just goes with "whatever confirms what i already believe gets accepted, whatever disproves it gets denied/handwaved". Nothing to do with source.

The god damn irony here is just too much.

[Shalcker]

The god damn irony here is just too much.

There is no irony, it is just part of being human.

You can sometimes mitigate it but if you think you escaped it you're just being blind.