The power level of playable races in Lore

[Zulkhan]

Seems I missed all the fun.

I agree that there's no stronger race in a purely physical sense in general

I must have missed the point. From a pure physical sense there are indeed stronger and weaker races, like there are stronger and weaker races in magical proficiency, technological achievements, dexterity and agility, mystic/scientific studies and so on. Not sure if you meant something else.

bears don't hit other bears with trees. And the Tauren is bringing his totem/club into the bears shoulder/ribcage, hes not trying to just push it out of the way, no more than shooting somone in the face is getting them to move.

I also remember the same Tauren shown in the very ending scene of the cinematic inequivocably going for the killing blow against an opponent eating the dirt. It could have been the dwarf but chances are it was the bear.

This means absolutely nothing. Not once have we seen worgen even described as perfect warriors by any Horde race, nor have we seen them be the "better fighters" the only race that the Horde has called perfect warriors are the Night elves.

Heck, even landing on the melee fighting discussion specifically you get several info promoting Tauren as top-notch material when it comes to fighting. Not only they had warriors like Cairne and Huln that were both impressive to say the very least but even cardboard Broxigar praised their value in battle:

Tauren're good fighters. Welcome comrades in any war. Not as good as orcs... but almost.

To have a proud orc almost begrudgingly admitting another race is good as his own about the whole warrior thing is surely no easy feat.

[Mehrunes]

Seems I missed all the fun.

I missed some of it too and even by just glancing at it, it's more of agonizing pain by now. Remember how scarab beetles from the previous Mummy movies burrowed into human skin and then ate their way to the brain? This thread feels like that.

I also remember the same Tauren shown in the very ending scene of the cinematic inequivocably going for the killing blow against an opponent eating the dirt. It could have been the dwarf but chances are it was the bear.

Even if it was the Dwarf, that'd imply a large possibility of the bear already being dealt with.

[Aucald]

I must have missed the point. From a pure physical sense there are indeed stronger and weaker races, like there are stronger and weaker races in magical proficiency, technological achievements, dexterity and agility, mystic/scientific studies and so on. Not sure if you meant something else.

The selection was in the context of available player races in WoW, and the Tauren being the physically strongest of them (without factoring gear, magical prowess, weaponry, environment, etc. etc.) I detailed later in my post that specific context changes any and all these of engagements, which makes the whole "most powerful" kind of debate a bit meaningless in my estimation - a Gnome could overtake a Tauren in combat if say they were a Mage getting the proverbial drop on a Warrior. But in the context of a one-to-one cage fight or even a weight-lifting competition your average Tauren is going to walk away with the trophy for first place in terms of physical, brute strength.

[Ilikegreenfire]

Big "If". And what the hell is knowlag ? Also "Assume". Nice.

It's called auto correct on mobile, I posted right about as I was about to clock into my shift so I had no time to fix it. You know what I meant. The fact you are bing so juviniIe really hurts your case.

I am usung my scientific knowlage to make educated guesses.

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hmm...

I think you're glossing over some details, like only looking at the physical benefits of turning into a worgen and ignoring the negatives. We're talking about wolfmen, who are basically as strong as an orc, who are often shown leaping around like they're weightless and fight as fast and adeptly as the most graceful elves... but also have the tunnel vision of the raging orc.

and then the tauren, who even untrained are shown as able to make the ground quake by taking a hard step >.>

I don't feel like the average worgen has been shown as being capable of leaping around defying enemy attacks in the manner described in the quote... that's more monk territory or hell high class rogue shit. Worgen, more so seem to wind up rushing in... partially succumbing to feral instincts (almost blood lust) and leaping more so to get in close rather than stupid levels of dodging.

Look at the worgen two hander animations, the fact they have a flip in thir jump animation.

The downside is the feral blood lust making it easy for Clever opponents to bait them, especially when we are talking about army formations, but one on one they sould win

[Arrashi]

It's called auto correct on mobile, I posted right about as I was about to clock into my shift so I had no time to fix it. You know what I meant. The fact you are bing so juviniIe really hurts your case.

I am usung my scientific knowlage to make educated guesses.

This statement is so wrong on so many levels you can get PHD by deconstructing it.

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If god read this thread, it'd start Armageddon early. Except it'd skip the part of last judgment, for all humankind would be seen as unworthy of heaven.

"Im not sorry, we had that coming".

[Friendlyimmolation]

The downside is the feral blood lust making it easy for Clever opponents to bait them, especially when we are talking about army formations, but one on one they sould win

based off your opinion, which is not fact.

I am usung my scientific knowlage to make educated guesses.

on the internet everyone is a scientist.

[Mehrunes]

on the internet everyone is a scientist.

If an average Tauren produces 100 kg of dung a day and a random fanwank headcasecanon peddler transforms Tauren shit into bullshit with 376.61% efficiency, how much stronger will Worgen become from a single typical Tauren outpost?

[Firefall]

There's a difference between "who would win in a fight" and who is "strongest."

[Ilikegreenfire]

This statement is so wrong on so many levels you can get PHD by deconstructing it.

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"Im not sorry, we had that coming".

I wrote a term paper about grizzlie bears I have scientific knowledge about them. I can put it on Google docs for you if you want.

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I openly admitted tauren have more brute strength, if we are going by base stats, like 8 times now, but by the same token worgen are the better melee fighters overall

[Arrashi]

I wrore a term paper about grizzlies bears I have scientific knowledge about them. I can put it on Google docs for you if you want.

Well im a cowboy for over 50 years now, as was my father and his father and his father and his father and his father and his father. So boy, i know something about cows. And bullshit. And i can say you are bullshiting right here.
And if you are not believing me, @Mehrunes and confirm that i have giant ranch. And herd of over 1000 cows. And most importantly giant cowboy hat.
Also tauren are stronger boy.

[Ilikegreenfire]

I also have a photo I took of a skull of a girzzliy who had his skull smashed in, lived, and had had his skull heal, they are tough as shit.

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Well im a cowboy for over 50 years now, as was my father and his father and his father and his father and his father and his father. So boy, i know something about cows. And bullshit. And i can say you are bullshiting right here.

Also tauren are stronger boy.

Ok I'll go dig through my school shit and get the photo.

[Friendlyimmolation]

I openly admitted tauren have more brute strength, if we are going by base stats, like 8 times now, but by the same token worgen are the better melee fighters overall

Only I your headcanon and never confirmed.

[Arrashi]

I also have a photo I took of a skull of a girlie who had his skull smashed in, lived, and had had his skull heal, they are tough as shit.

Ok I'll go dig through my school shit and get the photo.

And a futanari porn too. You sure as hell are hopeless.

[Ilikegreenfire]

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Only I your headcanon and never confirmed.

You're the one who brought up base stats, worgen have a a higher total of the stats involved in combat meaning they are better melee fighters.

But yes your right according to base stats tauren have more brute strenghth.

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And a futanari porn too. You sure as hell are hopeless.

You're so cute.

[Friendlyimmolation]

You're so cute.

about as cute as the tirade of headcanon about insisting worgen are the greatest fighters despite not a single fucking source of lore or game every showing this to be true.

Hell lets go farther down the rabbit hole. Since you now went from worgen are the strongest, to Worgen are the best fighters I can easily point out that Forsaken should be the best fighters because they are smart enough to use wolfsbane on the worgen. Because apparently anything must be used to make the worgen seem greater then they are.

[Arrashi]

about as cute as the tirade of headcanon about insisting worgen are the greatest fighters despite not a single fucking source of lore or game every showing this to be true.

Hell lets go farther down the rabbit hole. Since you now went from worgen are the strongest, to Worgen are the best fighters I can easily point out that Forsaken should be the best fighters because they are smart enough to use wolfsbane on the worgen. Because apparently anything must be used to make the worgen seem greater then they are.

Not to mention the fact that darnell who is like lvl 5 can carry six corses on his own. He truly is THE STRONGEST.

I mean he is a dude, who can carry six dudes. Like what the hell. That tauren in highmountain can carry only two tauren so he is a dude who can carry only 2 dudes. So forsaken are confirmed to be 3 times stronger than tauren.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Also linking a paper doesn't fucking change the fact that bears don't beat each-other with fucking trees.

[Ilikegreenfire]

about as cute as the tirade of headcanon about insisting worgen are the greatest fighters despite not a single fucking source of lore or game every showing this to be true.

Hell lets go farther down the rabbit hole. Since you now went from worgen are the strongest, to Worgen are the best fighters I can easily point out that Forsaken should be the best fighters because they are smart enough to use wolfsbane on the worgen. Because apparently anything must be used to make the worgen seem greater then they are.

I do have a game source, the same source you used to prove their strength, the in game base stats.

When i was talking about pitting two warriors 1v1 everything else the same other than race, i meant same gear, same weapons, no poison no explosives no gnomish inventions no extra shit. You only want have one manipulated variable in an experiment for the most viable results. Most people arn't dumb enough to try and fight a tauren or worgen 1v1 without support from stuff like that, but this is a thread talking about theoretical power levels.

If the question were who would win in an arm wrestle it would be tauren, we are talking about who would win in a fight.

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Here is a shareable llnk to said grizzly skull. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6...0duX2dsRGV5Q2c

[crazyfool319]

I think people are forgetting that the draenei werent exactly winning their battles against the orcs on draenor. The fel is no joke. Orc shamans and warriors might struggle against the magic of a draenei, but fel warlocks arent anything to turn your nose up at.

[Ilikegreenfire]

Also linking a paper doesn't fucking change the fact that bears don't beat each-other with fucking trees.

The research i linked from Montana shows grizzly are 5 times stronger than humans when they aren't being mad/pissed, who knows how strong they are when fighting actually going all out.