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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Marxism does not have to be totalitarian.
    Or, since soc dems are now full fledged Marxists, the Netherlands, Germany, UK.. etc.. must have been under totalitarian rule very often in the past 7 decades!
    I mean, Willem Drees was even influenced by Marx boom, a whole decade of extra spicy totalitarian rule in the 50s!

    I never knew, thanks for opening my eyes.
    Yeah, the Marxism that calls for dictatorship of the proletariat is not totalitarian. Right, RIGHT? Did they teach you nothing at all in school?

    And nobody except for you called social democrats Marxist (hint most of them arent).
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    Don't see what's wrong with fighting alongside Nazi Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    Actually of the parties yours was the closest to it. The Brexit thing, thats 100% nationalism, then there is the thread on here I saw about regulating the internet, that's authoritarianism which is again very closely correlated to national socialism. I'm glad enough of your voters rejected it, but its still so worrying that so many voted for it. Hopefully the anti-fascists will do better next time.
    How is the weather in La La Land?

    What is the Tory equivalent of the Hitler Youth? The Tory Grannies? Would they be called the Brown Trousers instead of Brown Shirts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    You do know there was no exit poll with the referendum?
    There was an on the day poll which predicted remain. Obviously less accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Brexit exit poll went the same way for the first two hours, exit polls went for remain couple of hours later it was clear we weren't. Are the exit polls anonymous? Tories are notoriously shy about how they vote publicly....
    And the year before that exit polls were correct for the general election and Ashdown had to hat eat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    You do know there was no exit poll with the referendum?
    Yes there were, not like these general election ones, but private brexit exit polls were done. They were wrong, they are wrong tonight.
    13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    You mean apart from Clacton?
    That was less UKIP and more Carswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoranon View Post
    Yeah, the Marxism that calls for dictatorship of the proletariat is not totalitarian. Right, RIGHT? Did they teach you nothing at all in school?

    And nobody except for you called social democrats Marxist (hint most of them arent).

    TIL Willem Drees called for dictatorship.



    But on a serious note, you really never heard about Democratic socialism? Marxism is not totalitarian at its base, it can be. Same goes for capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Brexit exit poll went the same way for the first two hours, exit polls went for remain couple of hours later it was clear we weren't. Are the exit polls anonymous? Tories are notoriously shy about how they vote publicly....
    exit polling wasn't allowed in referendum, previous general election exit polling has almost always been correct.

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    So 322 with the DUP, less Sinn Fein means they would be one short of a majority.

    Anyone know if they could get the UUP as well?

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    Is Corbyn the same party as Milliband?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Not really, some people have died due to Tory policies, but that is true of any type of administration, you are talking handfuls though.
    What UK party has death tolls?
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Yes there were, not like these general election ones, but private brexit exit polls were done. They were wrong, they are wrong tonight.
    No they were not. The polls for Brexit that experts were using have a small lead for leave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    TIL Willem Drees called for dictatorship.
    I have no idea who that guy is/was. And i dont care.
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    Don't see what's wrong with fighting alongside Nazi Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoranon View Post
    I have no idea who that guy is/was. And i dont care.
    Somebody infleunced by Marx who was not totalitarian. Dutch PM for 10 years, and we are not a dictatorship.
    Its like magic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    What UK party has death tolls?
    They were comparing ideologies, so Toryism versus Socialism, Toryism is not exclusive to Britain. Socialism would win on the death toll count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Yes there were, not like these general election ones, but private brexit exit polls were done. They were wrong, they are wrong tonight.
    No, there was not. They did not bother with exit polls as they had no data, what with the last referendum being 41 years earlier an' all, to model the result on. But you carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satimy View Post
    Is Corbyn the same party as Milliband?
    Yes, but different factions.

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    Exit polls confirmed wrong in Newcastle just now, Labour needed to do better.
    13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    They were comparing ideologies, so Toryism versus Socialism, Toryism is not exclusive to Britain. Socialism would win on the death toll count.
    Well probably, considering what people count towards socialism. Do you have a more international term for toryism as i have no clue what their ideology is.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Somebody infleunced by Marx who was not totalitarian. Dutch PM for 10 years, and we are not a dictatorship.
    Its like magic!
    I am fairly certain he was not Marxist, therefore completely irrelevant to my points, but then again, so are all your posts so far.
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