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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    And the vast majority are not terrorists, and are simply searching for a better life. Of course, that's also not what many would have us believe, is it?

    Of course the video is propaganda, almost everything pushed on these pages is propaganda.
    We have zero responsibilty towards soldiers of fortune. They are however cordially invited to apply for a work visa through the official channels, provided they bring the skillset and attitude to be a gain for the society. If not, they are welcome to fuck right off and anyone helping them bypass these filters should tag along or be thrown in a hole and forgotten.

  2. #342
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexeht View Post
    But they want you to donate on foundation that 'made' this video (probably there isn't anything wrong with that )
    Making profit out of other people's misery never sat right with me, so no disagreements there.
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  3. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    So we should send money to these countries, who might not even have a functioning or non-corrupted government, and expect people to just stay there and risk being raped, tortured or killed for however many years (if ever) it will take to turn that country around. That sounds very reasonable.

    Video was perhaps a bit too manipulative, but the message holds true.
    Ignoring how many people don't even come from war zones to begin with.
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  4. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by Runenwächter View Post
    We have zero responsibilty towards soldiers of fortune. They are however cordially invited to apply for a work visa through the official channels, provided they bring the skillset and attitude to be a gain for the society. If not, they are welcome to fuck right off and anyone helping them bypass these filters should tag along or be thrown in a hole and forgotten.
    Nah, I'll go ahead and side with freedom on this one. Refugees aren't exactly soldiers of fortune. Neither are illegal immigrants who come here to work.

  5. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Nah, I'll go ahead and side with freedom on this one. Refugees aren't exactly soldiers of fortune. Neither are illegal immigrants who come here to work.
    That is literaly the definition of the word. How is that not what the textbook definition of what soldier of fortune is?

    Taking a credit from human trafficers or family and jumping into rubber dingy that is sunk off coast in the believ that some ngo taxi is going to ferry you over to europe, where you have an on average less than 1% chance of employment for a forseeable future. Come on, tell us. The only reliable constant that isnt betting against astronomical odds in this calculation is that we have a hard time deporting and denying social security and welfare to them. There is a word for people who count on that and come here with that as a goal in mind. It's parasite.

    The majority of migrants are not employable in our job market because they lack basic qualifications and education and that the majority of "refugees" are none, remember this is a defined term. Both migrate into a social service and welfare system and stay possibily indefinitely. That is not acceptable.

    Ok, now lets talk about how what you say makes no sense because it has no basis in reality whatsoever and what you want leads directly to the destruction of our social security systems and undermines the stability and prosperity of our nations. Why do you hate us so much?
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  6. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by Runenwächter View Post
    That is literaly the definition of the word. How is that not what the textbook definition of what soldier of fortune is?

    The majority of migrants are not employable in our job market because they lack basic qualifications and education and that the majority of "refugees" are none, remember this is a defined term. Both migrate into a social service and welfare system and stay possibily indefinitely. That is not acceptable.

    Ok, now lets talk about how what you say makes no sense because it has no basis in reality whatsoever and what you want leads directly to the destruction of our social security systems and undermines the stability and prosperity of our nations. Why do you hate us so much?
    A soldier of fortune is a mercenary, not a refugee or a migrant worker. Here's the definition.

    "a person who works as a soldier for any country or group that will pay them; a mercenary."

    The majority of migrants are employable, and they get jobs. They work menial jobs for low pay, and fill a demand that many companies cannot otherwise fill, or are willing to fill for less. That's how the free market works. The solution is simple, get rid of the welfare state, and let the free markets take over. The laws of supply and demand will determine how many migrants we need, and they can have jobs. It works out for everyone. If your problem is with them being on welfare, then you have a welfare problem, not an immigration problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satimy View Post
    It is of utmost importance that we integrate them into our cultures as best we can.
    The problem is 99% of them WILL NOT and REFUSE assimilate to the local customs and cultures. Just look at the no go zones in Europe and look up about the muslims in Dearborn, Michigan. Those places are already lost to the local customs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celawien View Post
    The problem is 99% of them WILL NOT and REFUSE assimilate to the local customs and cultures. Just look at the no go zones in Europe and look up about the muslims in Dearborn, Michigan. Those places are already lost to the local customs.
    lolwut

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

    Try again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    http://www.truthwiki.org/snopes-snopes-com/

    try again yourself.
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  10. #350
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Snopes got caught embezzling money and the 2 founders had a really bad divorce. The Husband married a pornstar after hiring her to be a fact checker. I don't blame him for lust, but what are her credentials?

  11. #351
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    A soldier of fortune is a mercenary, not a refugee or a migrant worker. Here's the definition.

    "a person who works as a soldier for any country or group that will pay them; a mercenary."
    Stop lying.

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/soldier-of-fortune
    noun
    1.
    a person who independently seeks pleasure, wealth, etc., through adventurous exploits.

    2.
    a military adventurer, ready to serve anywhere for pay or for pleasure.
    Note the PRIMARY definition. In German we have the word "Glücksritter", the literal translation would be "knights of fortune". The meaning is same. The secondary definition is merely a subset of derived from the primary.

    I wasnt refering to the secondary definition and that not something that I feel the need to apply here.

    Unless you want to make a point that the majority of these migrants is male, from instable countries and at the age where armed service is indeed one of the few employment opportunities to be had there. Which, incidentally, some of them have done as reports state. Usually in less than reputable company with whom they first broke bread, then broke heads and then broke up, which ironically makes them somewhat of a real refugee (and a dangerous and violent criminal). In that case, well played you really turned that around on me didnt you...

    Still wasnt the primary definition or what I meant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    The majority of migrants are employable, and they get jobs. They work menial jobs for low pay, and fill a demand that many companies cannot otherwise fill, or are willing to fill for less. That's how the free market works. The solution is simple, get rid of the welfare state, and let the free markets take over. The laws of supply and demand will determine how many migrants we need, and they can have jobs. It works out for everyone. If your problem is with them being on welfare, then you have a welfare problem, not an immigration problem.
    Please provide evidence for your claims that these people who barely know how to read or write on pisa 1 level in their own language are employable in a fashion that they lead an economically self sufficient life and dont have to rely on government subsidies, which come out of the pockets of the taxpayer.
    If you get paid 7 dollars an hour, somehting like a minimum wage, but are only earning 2 through your own productivity and are subsidized the other 5, that isnt work, that's a glorified daycare. Or redistribution of wealth, directly interfering with the free market, the very welfare which you seem to want to dismantle.

    Your assessment that we have a welfare rather than a migrant problem stems from ignorance and is dangerous. Something that has proven beneficial over decades is not a problem. Something that has proven to be a pain in the ass, has cost us dearly and negatively impacted our societies security and sense of wellbeing is a problem. Social security and welfare are the former. Unregulated and unlimited migration, especially of low skilled people from a culture with very different work ethics that is on average much more patriarchal, archaic and religious is the later.
    Only one of these things can exist at the same time. Only one is beneficial. So with all due respect, screw your idea of migration and open borders. It doesnt work.

    Here is what I suggest: Quit pushing your "the free market will regulate itself" bullshit on others. If you want to live in the US or any such country of immigrants go live there, good luck, have fun, dont let the door hit you on your way out and dont come back. Dont try to turn every country that has its original culture into a clone of what you think the ideal society is supposed to look like. Stop trying to forcefully dismantle the fabric of our societies, which incidentally are nationstates.

    I was right to assume that you see european nationstates as your enemy. You seek to destory and dismantle the social and national heritage of hundreds of millions of europeans over generations, the cumulative result of their work, their choices. You want to crush that because you know better.
    Thats arrogant, dangerous and hatefull beyond comprehension and I will spare no more time for you.
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  12. #352
    Quote Originally Posted by Runenwächter View Post
    Stop lying.

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/soldier-of-fortune


    Note the PRIMARY definition. In German we have the word "Glücksritter", the literal translation would be "knights of fortune". The meaning is same. The secondary definition is merely a subset of derived from the primary.

    I wasnt refering to the secondary definition and that not something that I feel the need to apply here.

    Unless you want to make a point that the majority of these migrants is male, from instable countries and at the age where armed service is indeed one of the few employment opportunities to be had there. Which, incidentally, some of them have done as reports state. Usually in less than reputable company with whom they first broke bread, then broke heads and then broke up, which ironically makes them somewhat of a real refugee (and a dangerous and violent criminal). In that case, well played.

    Still wasnt the primary definition or what I meant.

    Please provide evidence for your claims that these people who barely know how to read or write on pisa 1 level in their own language are employable in a fashion that they lead an economically self sufficient life and dont have to rely on government subsidies, which come out of the pockets of the taxpayer.

    Your assessment that we have a welfare rather than a migrant problem stems from ignorance and is dangerous. Something that has proven beneficial over decades is not a problem. Something that has proven to be a pain in the ass, has cost us dearly and negatively impacted our societies security and sense of wellbeing is a problem. Social security and welfare are the former. Unregulated and unlimited migration, especially of low skilled people from a culture with very different work ethics that is on average much more patriarchal, archaic and religious is the later.
    Only one of these things can exist at the same time. Only one is beneficial. So with all due respect, screw your idea of migration and open borders. It doesnt work.

    Here is what I suggest: Quit pushing your "the free market will regulate itself" bullshit on others. If you want to live in the US or any such country of immigrants go live there, good luck, have fun, dont let the door hit you on your way out and dont come back. Dont try to turn every country that has its original culture into a clone of what you think the ideal society is supposed to look like. Stop trying to forcefully dismantle the fabric of our societies, which incidentally are nationstates.

    I was right to assume that you see european nationstates as your enemy. You seek to destory and dismantle the social and national heritage of hundrets of thousands of europeans over generations, their cumulative result of their work, their choices. Thats arrogant, dangerous and hatefull beyond comprehension and I will spare no more time for you.
    In America, a soldier of fortune refers to mercenaries.

    a person who works as a soldier for any country or group that will pay them; a mercenary.

    soldier of fortune
    n. pl. soldiers of fortune
    One who will serve in any army or undertake risky tasks for personal gain or love of adventure.

    soldier of fortune
    n
    (Military) a man who seeks money or adventure as a soldier; mercenary

    one who follows a military career wherever there is promise of profit, adventure, or pleasure

    someone who is willing to fight as a soldier in any army that pays them

    It's clearly referring to someone who is an actual soldier, that's the thing.

    On top of that, the definition you use refers to adventurous exploits. If you think picking lettuce is adventurous, I have some bad news for you.

    Migrant workers are not soldiers. Refugees are not soldiers. Period.

    Literally millions of illegals are in this country, and employed. That is proof in and of itself. I don't know what further proof you need, they are here, and they have jobs.

    Illegal immigration has proven to be very beneficial, and many cities, and even states rely heavily on illegal workforces. Social Security has only been beneficial, because the tax for it has been raised more than 20 times. The real problem are those who took far more than they put in for the last 75 years. You may think illegals are harming you, but they are mostly hard-working, diligent people. It's only a pain in the ass, because you don't like it.

    I'm going to go ahead and stick with my support of migration and open borders. I like freedom, and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

    You can suggest anything you like, and I will respond in kind. No thanks, I'm going to go ahead and side with freedom on this one. I have no desire to forcefully dismantle anything, you are the one who is preaching for force. I think any culture should be able to do as it pleases, because unlike you, I'm not going to try and forcefully stop them.

    I see authoritarianism and the desire to cause harm as bad, call me crazy. You may support those things, but I do not. Once again, I do not seek to destroy your culture or your heritage, merely call you out if you feel compelled to force your culture and heritage upon others. It is entirely possible for multiple cultures to coexist, so long as one does not attempt to force itself upon the others. If you feel you cannot coexist with other cultures, maybe they are not the real problem. You do not have to embrace other cultures if you do not wish to, but that does not mean you should try and forcefully stop them, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satimy View Post
    Snopes got caught embezzling money and the 2 founders had a really bad divorce. The Husband married a pornstar after hiring her to be a fact checker. I don't blame him for lust, but what are her credentials?
    That's nice.

    Do you have anything to refute what's said in the article?
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    Quote Originally Posted by satimy View Post
    Accepting refugees from tragically war torn parts of the world is the morally right thing to do in my opinion. It is of utmost importance that we integrate them into our cultures as best we can. This is also a separate case than immigration
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  15. #355
    Propaganda to the far-right perhaps.

    As someone more right-leaning these days than center, I just see it as a video that's nice and all, but doesn't solve anything. Reasonable people KNOW that they're not all terrorists, but that doesn't negate the very much real threats and issues arising from unchecked immigration and unfair distribution of refugees across countries.

  16. #356
    Quote Originally Posted by ible View Post
    Weird. Now YOU make me wanna go read the comments. Unlike the criers who make me expect more crying.
    YouTube is deleting comments and dislikes all the time. So go read them before you miss them (or they disable them like they did with the #ProudToBe video)! So much for the "free speech" they boast about, huh?

    People have to realize, this is political propaganda in its purest form (I wonder (((who))) is behind this? oy vey). To begin with, the majority of "refugees" that come to Europe are not young girls or children but young aged (18-25) males. But in the video, you don't see them... (meh, they are probably paid actors anyway).


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  17. #357
    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    Propaganda to the far-right perhaps.

    As someone more right-leaning these days than center, I just see it as a video that's nice and all, but doesn't solve anything. Reasonable people KNOW that they're not all terrorists, but that doesn't negate the very much real threats and issues arising from unchecked immigration and unfair distribution of refugees across countries.
    I think the issue people take with is the blatant censorship of it.

    Its fine and dandy if you want to make a youtube video for your political beliefs. It is another to remove huge swaths of comments and have suspicious like/dislike ratios...

    If youtube simply left their systems in place and didn't tamper with peoples comments I don't think it would be overly noted.

    End of the day people hate being fucked with.

  18. #358
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Or maybe stop pushing unnecessary laws in order to restrict the freedoms of innocent people?

    Almost every adult in my country breaks the law. Why the fuck won't they just obey the law?
    This is so circular and reeks of bias and projection.

    Just because you are an ill disciplined goon doesn't mean you should extend that to everyone else.

  19. #359
    Quote Originally Posted by FS- View Post
    YouTube is deleting comments and dislikes all the time. So go read them before you miss them (or they disable them like they did with the #ProudToBe video)! So much for the "free speech" they boast about, huh?
    Considering they own the platform, they're doing a pretty shitty job at "deleting dislikes," which I don't even think is possible, and comments. Based on...you know...the downvotes and comments.

  20. #360
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexeht View Post
    How about you would respond properly? I didn't said anything about terrorist, so where did you take that word from? You must be really racist/culturallyphobic if refugees are remind you automatically about terrorists.



    Yes I know. Sadly most of those so called 'refugees' in Europe are lying, what you could look up in news sites (one link just for you).

    Besides not even Syria is so war-torn country so we couldn't help them there (I don't know from what Africans are running from, I would rather believe they immigrate for social benefits / work).
    that link is from a blog not a newsite

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