'You're not welcome in Sweden': row between Sweden Democrat and Moderate politician

[JohnBrown1917]

They are factually inferior, hence why they immigrate.

Im hoping you never claim to not be racist

[sarahtasher]

With all due respect, you're using "being able to have children with each other" as an explanation for them not being separated races. Whether or not you can procreate has nothing to do with race. Are you perhaps confusing race with species? Heck, Donkeys and horses are different species, but they can procreate.

They are called mules and are sterile.

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This is, unsurprisingly, another example of an extreme lack of understanding of biological reality. The word race, when used to describe the variety of humans on the planet, is synonymous with 'breed', 'type' and 'variant'. It's fundamentally tied to being a part of the same species, so like the other poster, you're arguing with this phantom in your mind and not with the realities of the world.

If you're this upset about applying biological rulesets to humans, I fully expect to see you writing about how it's "racism" for people to distinguish between white, brown and black bears. This would also mean it's "racism" to prefer one type of dog to another.

Lunacy.



Not at all. This might come as a shock to you, but ethnicity is a gradient. In every country, even "homogenous" ones (i.e. China, Iceland, etc.).

FYI, a black bear is not a small polar bear. They are actually different species. While, as proved countless times by Southern planters boning their ''maids'', blacks and white ARE NOT DIFFERENT SPECIES.

Not to mention that the racist creed is less about hating blacks and asians than pretending that people like Russians or Poles are talking animals.

[Amalaric]

people dont even consider me to be swedish despite being born in sweden and one of my parents being swedish lol and im white. im czech to them so why would they consider an immigrant swedish if they don't consider people born in sweden swedish even when they have one swedish parent?

The Japanese got this right and they demand like seven generations of 100% Japanese lineage to be considered Japanese.

[Mihalik]

Sip

You are churning out absolute nonsense. Conflating biology, ethnicity, culture etc. I'm not sure if you are actually racist, or just ...weird.

Are you arguing for state sanctioned exclusionary policies and legally imposed categories for whether you belong to a certain ethnicity or national group based on a vague and utterly irrelevant application of genetic relations? I thought we tossed out Social Darwinism around the 1940's.

So if you are 51% Ashkenazi Jew you cannot be a Swede anymore? Where is the cut-off line? 21%? 78%? Or how do you tell the difference between an ethnic Swede and ethnic Norwegian when they basically the same damn thing? Or a Catalonian or Castillian? Etc. Your ethno-biology rubbish is a bunch hooey.

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The Japanese got this right and they demand like seven generations of 100% Japanese lineage to be considered Japanese.

Huh? Can't tell if you are serious.

[JohnBrown1917]

The Japanese got this right and they demand like seven generations of 100% Japanese lineage to be considered Japanese.

Who honestly gives a shit?

[Mihalik]

Who honestly gives a shit?

Those Japanese who think raping a couple of million Korean and Chinese women was their patriotic duty! Unfortunately there are quite a few of those still around.

[primalmatter]

Im hoping you never claim to not be racist

You can't be racist to a culture... or a religion while we are on the topic.

[Freighter]

Huh? Can't tell if you are serious.

Nihonjin is exclusively used for the japanese people.

[Mihalik]

You can't be racist to a culture... or a religion while we are on the topic.

If you scroll up you'll find folks who are arguing that culture is determined by biology.

Ashkenazi Jews are just basically white people, (most Jews are) but we sure fuck spent a whole lot of time and effort with being racist with them based on their culture and religion, as people argued they were obviously a different race.

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Nihonjin is exclusively used for the japanese people.

Cool. Irrelevant. It is still not the "right thing to do", but rather insane, ridiculous, malicious and often...outright evil. Don't worry, I know bunch of Asian countries across the board are in love with the myth of the "national superiority". You will all eventually get over it.

[sarahtasher]

Ah, yeah, the good old escape hatch ''I don't have their people I hate their religion

Which conveniently forgot that for the immense majority of people throughout history, picking a religion was around ''in what building mommy was going on sundays ?''

I'm sure that the 95% Catholics Irish were happy to be considered as talking animals because of their religion instead of their ethnicity.

[Freighter]

Cool. Irrelevant. It is still not the "right thing to do", but rather insane, ridiculous, malicious and often...outright evil. Don't worry, I know bunch of Asian countries across the board are in love with the myth of the "national superiority". You will all eventually get over it.

I fail to see how it's insane, ridiculous, malicious or evil.

[primalmatter]

If you scroll up you'll find folks who are arguing that culture is determined by biology.

Ashkenazi Jews are just basically white people, (most Jews are) but we sure fuck spent a whole lot of time and effort with being racist with them based on their culture and religion, as people argued they were obviously a different race.

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Cool. Irrelevant. It is still not the "right thing to do", but rather insane, ridiculous, malicious and often...outright evil.

There is a hard topic for me to weigh in on as I am technically a racist... I see inherit differences between people based on their linage and I think if people are being honest everyone else does to.

There will be physical differences on average between the races some providing advantages others would and will not enjoy. The idea that culture would effect this seems odd... It could in theory if it was kept mostly the same for millennia but I can't think of a single civilization with a culture that is that stagnate when it comes to change.

[Fyersing]

FYI, a black bear is not a small polar bear. They are actually different species.

You're right and I misspoke. Allow me to correct my error with an appropriate likening:

The following images are all members of the same species of bear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_black_bear
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...98568729259126
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...98568744272771
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...98568770795435

The bedrock assertion being made by my original response about bears and species was that regional variety is an evolutionary reality. The fact that nobody even gives a moments pause when an accredited scientist makes a claim about this or that regional variety of any species of animal (i.e 'type', 'variant', 'breed', 'race') being prone towards specific sets of behaviors and/or inclinations, across all of our worlds billions of lifeforms, is peculiar to me considering the sheer amount of composure lost when absolutely textbook applications of biological worldview are applied to humanity.

Not to mention that the racist creed is less about hating blacks and asians than pretending that people like Russians or Poles are talking animals.

Absolutely, imbeciles believing imbecilic things. All I'm concerned with is calling people ignorant because of beliefs like the ones you mention above, while holding a position that is equally unscientific is just a weird, quirky hypocrisy.

[Runenwächter]

Look at these folks circlejerking it, its almost cute if it wasnt so sad. Until the day you get a immediate suspension when you call somebody a nazi without irrefutable proof not a single discussion here will have a chance at being fair and balanced. Nazi isnt even about national socialism, today being a nazi is about what also happend during national socialist reign in Germany or the larger area occupied by the nazis, even if such things simultanously or before that occured all over the word under non-national-socialist rulers and governments, or what possibly would have happend because things are remotely similar, or what people dream up the nazis would totaly do "because thats what nazis do right?".

I love how mihalik and others think that because they themselves identify as such and such, people around them are obligated to take them at their word. Your identity isnt yours alone to determine. I get why people dont like the concept, but it's a democratic process.

Biology is observable reality. Most people go by observable reality when they decide upon the identity of a person. You will be met with resistance naturally if you attempt to enforce dissonant concepts of perceptions. This is even true if your entire argument revolves around shaming, strawmaning, insults and intellectualy baren constructs of the "omg i cant even" kind.

[Super Kami Dende]

Im hoping you never claim to not be racist

How does saying a Culture is inferior anywhere tantamount to saying a race is inferior? Wat?

[JohnBrown1917]

How does saying a Culture is inferior anywhere tantamount to saying a race is inferior? Wat?

Bigot more to your liking then?

[primalmatter]

Bigot more to your liking then?

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/Submit
noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Pot meet kettle?

[Super Kami Dende]

Bigot more to your liking then?

Realist moreso, but hey if I'm a Bigot for saying things for what they are, then sure. I don't really care.

[Fyersing]

You are churning out absolute nonsense. Conflating biology, ethnicity, culture etc. I'm not sure if you are actually racist, or just ...weird.

Are you arguing for state sanctioned exclusionary policies and legally imposed categories for whether you belong to a certain ethnicity or national group based on a vague and utterly irrelevant application of genetic relations? I thought we tossed out Social Darwinism around the 1940's.

So if you are 51% Ashkenazi Jew you cannot be a Swede anymore? Where is the cut-off line? 21%? 78%? Or how do you tell the difference between an ethnic Swede and ethnic Norwegian when they basically the same damn thing? Or a Catalonian or Castillian? Etc. Your ethno-biology rubbish is a bunch hooey.

I'm not conflating anything, they're just interrelated and you don't like that because it fudges up your understanding of the world.

The entire discussion hinges on where you stand on the nature versus nurture argument. You seem to believe that nature is irrelevant, almost entirely, with nurture being the one and only talking point -- science disagrees, albeit to varying degrees. If you want to keep yourself shielded from that reality, that's on you, but I wouldn't go around calling other people silly for applying the same natural principles that are proven to be accurate for billions (BILLIONS) of other lifeforms on this planet just because you believe that the mechanisms of evolution somehow skipped right over humanity and we just magically became how we are.

[Runenwächter]

Realist moreso, but hey if I'm a Bigot for saying things for what they are, then sure. I don't really care.

Cultural relativist, meet cultural realist.