EU will restrict visas for states not taking back migrants

[Freighter]

But I do deserve by blood and institution?

What are you even talking about?

[Deleted]

Can you not follow? Perhaps if a bit of moral relativism is too much for you, your time would be better spent helpfully pointing people towards the correct immigration authorities in the future and straying away from discussions on the internet about that might threaten your ideas about the complexity of life.

In fact, maybe your true calling is joining one of the perhaps hundreds of thousands of civil servants who are employed to follow the letter of the law in this respect. You could both thinking the world is right as it is, and get paid for it! Excellent!

[Freighter]

No, because some out of nowhere vague references to blood or some unnamed institution does not really reveal what you're even talking about.

[Mayhem]

Sure, if they're in a dangerous situation due to circumstances outside of their control. These people however are not. They willingly put themselves in that situation.

No, there is no "but", helping someone in need is morally right regardless of how the person got into that situation.

[Freighter]

No, there is no "but", helping someone in need is morally right regardless of how the person got into that situation.

Not helping would be morally neutral if they put themselves in a dangerous situation.

[Mayhem]

Then they should apply for the appropriate permits/visas to do so. You do not get to choose what country you want to live in just becase you fancy it.

I'm still waiting for you to answer some questions to your awesome illegals stopping permits/visa plan.

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Not helping would be morally neutral if they put themselves in a dangerous situation.

That is just stupid. That describes every situation where someone needs help.

Being hit by a car, shouldn't have put themselves in front of it. Sinking ship, shouldn't have gone on board.

But i'm not going to waste my time, you just answer the questions you want to, as per usual.

[The One Percent]

Still not worth it to take migrants.

[Mizix]

It's not a reasonable solution at all. You need documentation to dock at a port and further documentation to let humans on land. A ship making a surprise visit to Libya to unload dozens of undocumented people is anything but legal. You are essentially propagating criminality and taking part in trafficking. What we need to do is to stop the trafficking of undocumented immigrants and the best way to do that is to get them to a place where we can process their information, whatever that may be.

If we really want to fix this mess, we need to make a greater effort collecting data so that police can go after the money. Find whoever is involved in human trafficking and confiscate all assets and accounts, then use that money to further the investigation and finance the refugee processing centers.

That's arguably the best solution since it is what European authorities have been trying to do for years and not without major problems, above all the fact that illegal immigrants do not have ID and refuse to tell us where they are from out of fear of being sent back. One method processing centers are employing as of a few years is linguistic: trying to establish where people are from from their dialect - ain't fail proof though.

I realize sending the ships back to where they are from without going through a vetting process is unorthodox at best and borderline legal. However, the human trafficking currently works in a fairly absurd way as in ONG vessels go to just outside Libyan waters to rescue and take the refugees on board and only then proceed to Italy/Greece/Malta, etc. This behavior feeds directly into the human trafficking - it actually makes it more efficient - because the criminal organizations in charge of the smuggling (and some times also of the rescuing and of the processing, as seen in Italy) do not even need to board migrants on decent-enough vessels to actually cross the Mediterranean but can mass them on extremely dangerous ships that just need to reach international waters out of the Libyan coast. Which, in turns, makes rescuing those poor souls even more pressing... The phenomenon has become bigger in the past 2-3 years with the increased intervention of ONGs, the poor coordination between them and official authorities and the lack a common European policy.

What we can do, is to forbid ONGs vessels to dock in Italy/Greece/Malta, etc. and force them to go back to Libya. That's not illegal, afaik.

[pateuvasiliu]

Well instead of killing people at sea (which is what you are suggesting) we can actually do what is suggested here and send them back home. Make the message clear enough and they will stop coming. Noone is willing to risk their lives and everything they own to go somewhere if it is clear they will be detained and soon after returned from wherever they came.

They killed no one. They just didn't help them.

Not the same thing. They are under no legal or moral obligation to help criminals.

[Zubacz]

Just abolish social benefits for them and they will return on their own. Those who do not return, are very welcome to stay.

[Mizix]

The thing is, what is suggested at the article would also work. The trafficking networks likely have someone at the top level. The corrupt oligarchies that allow this to happen back there live for their weekend breaks in London or Paris. Take that away from them and they WILL care.

Yup, taking away their visa is a step in the right direction, definitely. Not sure that will be enough though, hopefully it will

[Kuntantee]

The European Union states decided on Friday to restrict visas for foreign countries that refuse to take back their nationals who have no right of asylum in Europe.

The EU is cracking down on immigration following a spike in arrivals across the Mediterranean since 2014.

Italy is now the main gateway to the bloc and most of those reaching European shores after boarding smugglers' boats in Africa are considered illegal labor migrants.

Some countries, including Bangladesh and Nigeria, are often reluctant to readmit their citizens and the EU has recently doubled down on efforts to expedite such returns.

During a two-day meeting in Brussels, the bloc's 28 leaders agreed to use "all possible levers, including... reassessing visa policy toward third countries".

"We can use visas to convince them to take returns," said a senior EU diplomat, adding the move would, among other things, target the ruling elites of these countries as they can afford trips to Europe.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the EU's trade agreements with African countries should also be part of the effort.

EU states remain at loggerheads over how to handle refugees who make it into the bloc, yet they have decided to gloss over the issue after two years of divisive feuds.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eu-restri...163211018.html

Finally something is happening! We should sanction the hell out of those countries!

Europe can't sanction a jackshit. You are selling way more than you buy, you'd lose more.

[Ulmita]

"I Wonder When Will The EU Sanction The Countries That Are Responsible For The Chaos In Middle East"

[Mayhem]

They killed no one. They just didn't help them.

Not the same thing. They are under no legal or moral obligation to help criminals.

Yes they are.

[Aeula]

A little late. Much of the damage has already been done.

[announced]

How is it hard to understand that international law prevents this?

Stupid people keep bleating it, with no understanding as to why it's absolutely not an option. Letting people die, whom you have the resources to save, is completely unethical.


But I guess a forum of vidya-nerds there's no compassion found. Can't expect broken people to act like decent human beings.

the only stupid person is you. Thousands of economic refugees came from non war torn countries and none of them were actually in danger from any conflict at home. the refugees put themselves in danger when they went on a dangerous journey with little food and water and simply hoped that some other country might take them in. Can you imagine if you heard that Greece was giving away housing and free food for life and you decided to set sail to Greece from Turkey (where there isn't any war going on right now) yet when you arrived in Greece you found out that was all nonsense? If that isn't reckless behavior then i dont know what is.

[Gamevizier]

For those who wish to know more about the situation in the middle east, or just get a general idea of what's going on in there:



The refugee problem is not caused by Syria's civil war, there's a much bigger problem underneath this. the balance of power in the middle east is changing, and the dreams of a unified arab world is failing.

[pateuvasiliu]

Yes they are.

No, they are not. If someone crosses illegally into my country and gets mauled by a bear I don't give a shit. They're criminals. They have no rights.

[Mayhem]

No, they are not. If someone crosses illegally into my country and gets mauled by a bear I don't give a shit. They're criminals. They have no rights.

I envy your mind reading abilities. Also this was about people drowning at sea, being rescued from drowning.

[Stormdash]

Well instead of killing people at sea (which is what you are suggesting) we can actually do what is suggested here and send them back home. Make the message clear enough and they will stop coming. Noone is willing to risk their lives and everything they own to go somewhere if it is clear they will be detained and soon after returned from wherever they came.

Intercept the vessels; escort to point of origin. Don't even invite the absurd administrative difficulties of letting them come ashore and having to formally deport. Repurpose naval and coast guard assets to this, board them, inspect them for seaworthiness. If seaworthy, escort back across; if not seaworthy, transfer passengers at sea to something that is and take them back across.

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For those who wish to know more about the situation in the middle east, or just get a general idea of what's going on in there:



The refugee problem is not caused by Syria's civil war, there's a much bigger problem underneath this. the balance of power in the middle east is changing, and the dreams of a unified arab world is failing.

The Syrian Civil War is also obviously nothing to do with economic migration from Tunisia and Mali and other points around the Middle East and Africa, which is actually the majority of those arriving in this wave of "Syrian" "refugees".