Will the USA every have free healthcare?

[Enthusiastic Steward]

privatized police forces might actually work better, i'd certainly be willing to hear proposals on the matter.

The problem when you privatize basic services like these is the hypothetical scenario where your house is on fire and you call in, but you're only a gold member and all fire services are currently on a priority call from a platinum plus member.

At some point the state should be responsible for providing basic emergency services (otherwise what's the point, scrap the whole Constitution and lets live in anarchy) and the citizenry, being a responsible citizenry invested in the long term survival of the nation as a whole, should be willing to make sure the state has adequate resources to provide basic services.

[Deletedaccount1]

Where I live, a system close to single payer is currently contributing to the decline of the country. American policy makers generally understand better than others that health insurance and health outcomes are not closely linked.

[belfpala]

insulin is in tier 1-2. Only annoying thing about the plan is that testing strips and lancets are covered as DME (Durable Medical Equipment) and is subject to coinsurance rules (80/20), though it bypasses the deductible.

So like... they want her to work her glucose blind? Did they note that testing strips are single use and not very durable? Have they calculated the cost in $ and hardship a visit to the ER and ICU from an extreme glucose low or high will bring?

...anyway, I stopped applying logic to private health insurance long ago.

[RaoBurning]

Not an american so can't weigh in as most of you can. However, I never could understand how you people don't have a health care system as the rest of the (civilized) world has,

A combination of "not if I have to pay for it (even if it would be cheaper for me in the long run, taxes are scary!)," "Fuck you, I got mine," and the lingering ghost of McCarthy making us shake in fear at anything with the vaguest hint of "socialism" in the name. Oh, and an almost clockwork revulsion to ever admitting we're not already the best at something.

[Eggroll]

I'm perfectly fine in a society with no socialized medicine and I will strive to keep it that way.
leftists with big beautiful fantasies to the contrary will never force me out.

If it's all about money I wonder why the US pays twice as much per capita for health care than all the countries with socialized health care?

Maybe the US society is more individual centric while other societies are more social centric. I'd rather leave out terms like left/right/liberal. They've got nothing to do with that imo.

[Noblia]

Healthcare is not free... just like basic income is not free. Someone has to pay for it snowflake. Take an econ course on how the economy works.

And I like being pedantic... because the DEVIL IS ALWAYS IN THE FUCKING DETAILS SNOWFLAKE.

[Gestopft]

A combination of "not if I have to pay for it (even if it would be cheaper for me in the long run, taxes are scary!)," "Fuck you, I got mine," and the lingering ghost of McCarthy making us shake in fear at anything with the vaguest hint of "socialism" in the name. Oh, and an almost clockwork revulsion to ever admitting we're not already the best at something.

You got most of the cocktail right, but you forgot to garnish it with deeply entrenched lobbies and special interests that have a vested interest in keeping the system expensive.

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Healthcare is not free... just like basic income is not free. Someone has to pay for it snowflake. Take an econ course on how the economy works.

And I like being pedantic... because the DEVIL IS ALWAYS IN THE FUCKING DETAILS SNOWFLAKE.

You're not doing a particularly good job of being pedantic...

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I'm perfectly fine in a society with no socialized medicine and I will strive to keep it that way.
leftists with big beautiful fantasies to the contrary will never force me out.

I mean...if you enjoy higher prices and getting gouged by the healthcare sector, that's fine. Whatever. I don't judge.

[HumbleDuck]

No, I don't think so.
I mean if Bernie was in the office it could happen. Healthcare really takes someone like Obama and Bernie to take care of, but the chances of two people like them get elected back to back are very slim.

[Deleted]

Healthcare is not free... just like basic income is not free. Someone has to pay for it snowflake. Take an econ course on how the economy works.

And I like being pedantic... because the DEVIL IS ALWAYS IN THE FUCKING DETAILS SNOWFLAKE.

Then continue being 'tht guy'

[baskev]

Please don't be pedantic and say free healthcare isn't actually free, we're aware we pay via taxes but it's free in the sense we don't pay a bill

So do you think the USA will ever adapt to a healthcare system similar to the NHS? I know the US on whole isn't a huge fan of welfare systems partly due to Capitalism but it can not be ignored that the statistics regarding people dying simply because they couldn't afford healthcare is alarming

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...alth-coverage/).

Free health care is a bad idea.
A payable equal health care . Yup that would be great.

Could go on and on. But you post is filled with ALLOT of in accuracy's that 5 min of research you would not have made. So not responding to a post that is just here to provoke people.

[Deleted]

Free health care is a bad idea.
A payable equal health care . Yup that would be great.

Could go on and on. But you post is filled with ALLOT of in accuracy's that 5 min of research you would not have made. So not responding to a post that is just here to provoke people.

You could point out the inaccuracies also if this thread provokes anybody then they clearly are hyper sensitive to conversation

[Low Hanging Fruit]

It will be socialized eventually. Right now the insurance companies are fighting it like mad and throwing an amazing amount of money into politics and culture to get people to think other wise the but wind is already blowing.

It is a pretty common trend in the US that we adapt to the ways of modern society more slowly. Even if we happen to be the ones to innovate a trend. But once we come around it is usually a pretty solid system. Sadly greed is what drives most of our decisions instead of compasion.

[Macaquerie]

A combination of "not if I have to pay for it (even if it would be cheaper for me in the long run, taxes are scary!)," "Fuck you, I got mine," and the lingering ghost of McCarthy making us shake in fear at anything with the vaguest hint of "socialism" in the name. Oh, and an almost clockwork revulsion to ever admitting we're not already the best at something.

It's sad because many of the people saying "fuck you I got mine" do not, in fact, have theirs.

[Raeph]

So like... they want her to work her glucose blind? Did they note that testing strips are single use and not very durable? Have they calculated the cost in $ and hardship a visit to the ER and ICU from an extreme glucose low or high will bring?

...anyway, I stopped applying logic to private health insurance long ago.

No idea to be honest. We get free strips and lancets from her doctor so there is that but she can't check her sugar as regularly as she should. Even so her last A1C was 6.8 so she is doing better than the doctor treatment plan. Doctor wants her lower than 7.0.

Still it would be better to have the strips and want not covered as a prescription. We did have a plan, prior to ACA mandates, that did cover diabetic supplies as a prescription, however once ACA went live that was one of the first items that was changed. Its an employer provided plan but it meets ACA requirements so I can't get subsidies to shop on the market place.

[Elegiac]

The better question is: will the US ever reach the point where 'it's not 'free' hurr durr' is viewed as stupid pedantry rather than a legitimate criticism.

[Cruor]

I hope. We in germany have state driven health care, and it works like a charm. If i get sick, i get paid by the health care after 3 weeks, and hospital visits wont make be bankrupt or lose my savings.

Are you like, actually crazy, or trolling, or what? Do you understand that it was not "free" it came from some where. The money was prided out of the hands of people who work, so you can sit home all day and play video games and post on MMO Champion about how much you hate America, people on the right of politics and how awesome it is you get "free" stuff just for existing.

I hope America never gets "free" health care. I hope we can get back to being a great country. Here's my health care system: pay for it yourself or don't get health care. If liberals want to pay for a charity for it out of their pockets they are free to do so. I keep my money. That is the ultimate system.

[Elegiac]

Are you like, actually crazy, or trolling, or what? Do you understand that it was not "free" it came from some where. The money was prided out of the hands of people who work, so you can sit home all day and play video games and post on MMO Champion about how much you hate America, people on the right of politics and how awesome it is you get "free" stuff just for existing.

Man, if only you had an actual argument and not just semantics. At least one person might take you seriously.

I hope America never gets "free" health care. I hope we can get back to being a great country. Here's my health care system: pay for it yourself or don't get health care. If liberals want to pay for a charity for it out of their pockets they are free to do so. I keep my money. That is the ultimate system.

Ultimate in terms of it being totally nonfunctional and resulting in severe social problems, sure.

The irony is that you most likely live in some small town or suburb in a red state leeching off the money of urban taxpayers.

[Deleted]

Are you like, actually crazy, or trolling, or what?

No, and telling you that calling other people trolls is against the forum rules wont stop you, i believe.

Do you understand that it was not "free" it came from some where.

Sure, it is paid by a kind of tax i and millions of other germans give to the country.

The money was prided out of the hands of people who work, so you can sit home all day and play video games and post on MMO Champion about how much you hate America, people on the right of politics and how awesome it is you get "free" stuff just for existing.

I dont hate america. I actually love america. I just dont like the new right wing, their president and their fascist politics.

You know, we germans have a social market economy. And just to repeat it: It works like a charm. We infact have a right to get health care, which is a great achievement. If you get sick in germany, you get help, no matter if you work. are poor, are rich. And the community here in germany is more than willing to pay for that achievement.

Try it, americans. And get rid off your egocentric crypto-capitalists. Social market economy is the future.

[Cruor]

Man, if only you had an actual argument and not just semantics. At least one person might take you seriously.



Ultimate in terms of it being totally nonfunctional and resulting in severe social problems, sure.

The irony is that you most likely live in some small town or suburb in a red state leeching off the money of urban taxpayers.

I spent 30 years in New York, New York. Biggest and Bluest.

[truckboattruck]

AnCap is the saddest school of thought on this planet.

said every communist ever