LGBT representation

[Deleted]

Because, at the end of the day, those obscure examples are up to debate. They exist, at the same time they don't.

They are not Schrodingers cat... Again, it's a game.

[SirMeo]

So what? You asked for lgbt characters, and there's even a whole race (quillboars) that can switch sexual preferences at will.
There are no characters that straight out yell "I'M HETEROSEXUAL!", as it would be silly as unneeded. In the same way, there are no characters screaming they are not hetero. Same-sex romances are not avoided by Blizzard because they're an evil association against lgbt rights; most likely, at this point in lore, they just wouldn't fit, and I don't want to see lore that makes less sense because they were forced to be politically correct.

I've seen your posts and I often agree with you, even if I just lurk, but this time I gotta disagree :V

Romance/romantic feelings/crushes/whatever play important part to many character's background motivations -- you have major relevant romances from Illidan/Tyrande/Malfurion thing to something more minor (in grand plot relevance) but very memorable like Mankrik crusading for his dead wife. Like 10 billion major lore dudes have had crush on Jaina and it has motivated them, for better or for worse. Getting a ("""traditional""") family was a Big Deal for Thrall -- during Cata there was a whole questline for solving his self-esteem issues so he could be happily with Aggra. Since Nathanos' short story, even he and Sylvanas have gotten in on subtle romantic motivation.

I agree that Blizzard isn't LGBT-phobic (the mascot for their Overwatch series is a confirmed lesbian! and they have promised more LGBT characters in the future!) but I just... if Mankrik can be KNOWN for wanting to slaughter all quilboars ever for his wife, why can't there be like, I dunno, honorable paladin who wants to protect Azeroth for his boyfriend, treated with same kind of casual touch?

I'm GLAD they have already included minor LGBT characters (confirmed lesbians, and Marcus swings both ways if "Savage Passions" is anything to go by, and some NPCs flirt with EVERYONE regardless of gender) but I would also be really happy to see something a bit... less minor? So many people say that the sexual orientation of a character isn't important, but the moment that characters anything but straight it's seen as bad and pandering SJWs :V

[Deleted]

Yes because forgetting history is in our best interests

So gay marrige being illegal 10 years ago wasn't weird?

Just because something wasn't the case in the past does not make the action weird.

You are basically saying that EVERYONE that was gay 50 years ago was weird, because it wasn't "socially acceptable".

That's not how this works.

[Deleted]

I didn't know epic zinger was a term. I'm working on what seems to be what you think. The video just works to hammer home my point that if someone wants to do that, they can do that and it's not up to you to decide it. Of course, you're also free to express your discomfort and dislike about overt sexuality.
Says you? Plenty of people do and they've got their own communities nowadays, as you should be well aware of. If that's what they want, then what does it matter to either of us? If you don't like something, don't seek it out, just avoid it.

I ain't uncomfortable, or disliking anything. I'm very pro LGBT.

However, if you start using sexuality as a personality trait then for the third time you're no better than the horrible way people were portrayed in media until recently.

Name me a person or character that uses their sexuality as a personality trait successfully that isn't a parody on the sexuality itself.

[tikcol]

So gay marrige being illegal 10 years ago wasn't weird?

Just because something wasn't the case in the past does not make the action weird.

You are basically saying that EVERYONE that was gay 50 years ago was weird, because it wasn't "socially acceptable".

That's not how this works.

Actually, that's exactly how things work. You don't get to decide what's weird or not as an individual. It's up to the society you live in. There are no moral absolutes anywhere.

[rda]

I just realized. One OW character is an ape (Winston). Another is a robot (Bastion).

Should some fetishists ask for representation?

Oh, the horrors!!!

Since there is only one ape, that ape could be only one gender. Apes of the other gender AREN'T REPRESENTED! What a major, major offense!

Tikcol, write a topic, fast.

[Deleted]

Actually, that's exactly how things work. You don't get to decide what's weird or not as an individual. It's up to the society you live in. There are no moral absolutes anywhere.

So people being killed in other countries for being homosexual is ok because it's up to their society. Gotcha.

[Noomz]

I ain't uncomfortable, or disliking anything. I'm very pro LGBT.

However, if you start using sexuality as a personality trait then for the third time you're no better than the horrible way people were portrayed in media until recently.

Name me a person or character that uses their sexuality as a personality trait successfully that isn't a parody on the sexuality itself.

Sorry I meant you as in a general statement of people who are.

Why?

Anyone in the pornography industry I'm guessing. But how would you define using it as a personality trait? I don't really know your metric for this so I need an example of what exactly you mean.

[dope_danny]

I dont want to think about wow character models fucking ever. In any capacity.

T. A player not from Moonguard/Argent Dawn.

[Magnagarde]

I want the fantasy universe I play in not to be plagued with the same bullshit as the real life around me. Got nothing against this population and you can identify as a herm unicorn for all I care, but the constant complaining about it and bringing it up in every aspect of our lives is annoying.

Leave the games alone. They don't deserve this kind of treatment.

[Deleted]

Sorry I meant you as in a general statement of people who are.

Why?

Anyone in the pornography industry I'm guessing. But how would you define using it as a personality trait? I don't really know your metric for this so I need an example of what exactly you mean.

Same way anyone defines using it as a personality trait. It's part of their...personality. How they go about their day to day business.

[Raggamasta]

Why do you think that there aren't, have you seen what's going on at night in the dark corners of Stormwind and Goldshire?

[Schizoide]

I voted yes, but don't feel it's a deliberate choice by Blizzard. Their characters are paper-thin in general. I mean, think of the major characters of the past two expansions. What's Khadgar's motivation? What's he actually like? What do Illidan and Maiev care about, beyond their single-minded focus on destroying the Legion and not trusting each other?

I'd like to see more three-dimensional characters and narratives in the game, and sure, part of expanding the characters means some would be gay, some straight, some really into kittens or Hearthstone or cooking or whatever. These are all character traits that we simply don't get to see.

[tikcol]

So people being killed in other countries for being homosexual is ok because it's up to their society. Gotcha.

Over there people do it within the boundaries of the law.

[Teri]

LGBT needs to stay away from "in your face" , they are a minority, but don't act like that. Keep it out of fantasy games. Azeroth isn't Earth...

You can already change gender or even race if you wish to, go roleplay it or something, keep it out of Canon story.

[Deleted]

Over there people do it within the boundaries of the law.

Let this be the post that cements the notion that you're a troll.

[tikcol]

Oh, the horrors!!!

Since there is only one ape, that ape could be only one gender. Apes of the other gender AREN'T REPRESENTED! What a major, major offense!

Tikcol, write a topic, fast.

Why would I ever write a topic about that.. are you serious?

[Trumpcat]

There are few small nods that I can think of right now.

One is in the Steamy Romance Novels - Savage Passions: http://wow.gamepedia.com/A_Steamy_Ro...avage_Passions
This is also the book you land on in Return to Karazhan when you jump down to the library.


The other is two Highborn ladies in the Court of Farondis in Azsuna who have a relationship, made clear by the quest involving them.

But considering the vicious hatred dripping from most posts in the thread here, it's very clear why Blizzard is reluctant. Large portion of gamers are very sensitive and anything outside their own narrow view of how things must be easily triggers them.

[Destinas]

I ain't uncomfortable, or disliking anything. I'm very pro LGBT.

However, if you start using sexuality as a personality trait then for the third time you're no better than the horrible way people were portrayed in media until recently.

Name me a person or character that uses their sexuality as a personality trait successfully that isn't a parody on the sexuality itself.

To add to this, Theralion had a stereotypically "gay" voice in the Cataclysm beta as his defining character trait. This was met with backlash from both sides.

[Deleted]

A part of things that are wrong in current gaming, is that shit like this is an issue for some. I mean it's a game, meant for you to pass time in ways of war. Go play Sims if you want diversity or something to reflect real life. Who gives a damn about sexuality in a game about war.