Will Alleria approve of Sylvanas?

[Tripzzz]

which you kill.



which doesn't change the fact that they punished Stillwater for his actions.




your argument is that warlocks hide in basements from everyone. The fact that warlocks were able to travel with the Alliance party means they were no where near as discriminated agasitn as the Orcish warlocks were in Orgrimmar.




I think the difference is pretty obvious to everyone in regards to raising them on purpose and not.

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Pretty sure it was argued into oblivion here. Thanks.

Doesn't make it magically ok. Alleria taps into the Void to combat the Legion. What will she think when she finds out Slyvanus' people accidentally raise mindless undead and then kill them all for a selfish purpose?

Which doesn't change the fact Forsaken wanted to create a plague to spread undeath, raising free will forsaken.

Obviously there is a difference being one is an accident and the other is not. Doesn't change the fact forsaken raise people at rest only to kill them after they become mindless. Alleria may use the void, but she does it for noble purposes. There is nothing noble about wanting to spread undeath.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Doesn't make it magically ok. Alleria taps into the Void to combat the Legion. What will she think when she finds out Slyvanus' people accidentally raise mindless undead and then kill them all for a selfish purpose?

so now your argument is that the forsaken are bad because they don't send the mindless undead agaisnt the legion? Or that the Forsaken are selfish because they kill mindless undead?

Which doesn't change the fact Forsaken wanted to create a plague to spread undeath, raising free will forsaken.

I'm not sure what you are even trying to Argue. The Forsaken originally planned to do something, and changed their minds. Therefore it doesn't make sense that Stillwater was killed?

Obviously there is a difference being one is an accident and the other is not. Doesn't change the fact forsaken raise people at rest only to kill them after they become mindless. Alleria may use the void, but she does it for noble purposes. There is nothing noble about wanting to spread undeath.

I'm asking you again how killing mindless undead is a bad thing. Sylvanas flat out tells Nathanos he will vanquish a thousand demons. Noble purpose so everything is ok.

There is nothing noble about wanting to spread undeath

Unless of course its to kill demons right?

[Tripzzz]

so now your argument is that the forsaken are bad because they don't send the mindless undead agaisnt the legion? Or that the Forsaken are selfish because they kill mindless undead?



I'm not sure what you are even trying to Argue. The Forsaken originally planned to do something, and changed their minds. Therefore it doesn't make sense that Stillwater was killed?




I'm asking you again how killing mindless undead is a bad thing. Sylvanas flat out tells Nathanos he will vanquish a thousand demons. Noble purpose so everything is ok.



Unless of course its to kill demons right?

No the argument is they are bad because they continue to raise undead knowing full well that sometimes it results in mindless undead.

They only changed their minds because they failed to get the desired results. But for them the plague of undeath was a perfectly valid vehicle to reach their goals.

Killing mindless undead isn't bad. What is bad is raising mindless undead. Accident or not Alleria will be appalled.

Yeah because Slyvanus, Nathanos, and the forsaken have been key to defeating the Legion. Haha! If we saw massive forsaken involvement on the broken shore or Argus you might have a point. But so far the forsaken(and the rest of the horde) have been damn near irrelevant in defeating the Legion. What we did see was Slyvanus yet again pursuing a selfish goal only to disappear into obscurity after failing.

[Mehrunes]

How about you look at the forsaken starting zone you genius? Its plain as day that some of the undead raised by Val'kyr turn mindless. That's why there are so many zombies and ghouls in that area. That is a canon fact. But go ahead and scream like a banshee that it isn't fact. It's hilarious.

Yeah, those not-ghouls in the starting zone are top notch source for ghouls. Higher than top, even. The only ghouls in Deathknell area are Scourge aligned by the way. Go ahead flailing around spreading alternative facts though. That's the truly hilarious thing here.

[Tripzzz]

Yeah, those not-ghouls in the starting zone are top notch source for ghouls. Higher than top, even. The only ghouls in Deathknell area are Scourge aligned by the way. Go ahead flailing around spreading alternative facts though. That's the truly hilarious thing here.

Pretty sure all undead have the potential to turn into ghouls. It's said to be the final stage of true undeath.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Ghoul

"As undeath progresses in a victim, it twists and corrupts the body, growing fangs and claws. The ghoul is the final stage of the process of undeath."

[Mehrunes]

That isn't what happened to his cousin. Nathanos is in his body now and the cousin is the pile of ash that used to be Nathanos.

Which is confirmed nowhere. If that was the case, how comes Dark Mirror didn't mention Nathanos' confusion about waking up on the wrong altar?

[Aquamonkey]

Pretty sure all undead have the potential to turn into ghouls. It's said to be the final stage of true undeath.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Ghoul

"As undeath progresses in a victim, it twists and corrupts the body, growing fangs and claws. The ghoul is the final stage of the process of undeath."

It's the final stage for true undeath from a live person.

These lumbering, rotting corpses were once innocent townsfolk who have made the final transition into true undeath.
--WC3 manual

Ghouls are the basic warriors of the Undead Scourge. These lumbering, rotting corpses were once Zombies that have made the final transition into true 'undeath'. (Source)

"Zombies" is capitalized because it's a proper noun, the name of another unit that isn't fully undead yet. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Zombie_(Warcraft_III)

Fosaken were originally ghouls that regained their free will.

[Deleted]

Well Sylvanas disappeared trying to find a way to raise the gazillions of dead following the legion invasion and further bolster forsaken ranks. It would be either her or the lich king. That's enough for Alleria to approve her not.
Btw from ptr what is that makes Alleria void yuse that different from the average xalatath weilding shadow priest?

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Well Sylvanas disappeared trying to find a way to raise the gazillions of dead following the legion invasion and further bolster forsaken ranks. It would be either her or the lich king. That's enough for Alleria to approve her not.
Btw from ptr what is that makes Alleria void yuse that different from the average xalatath weilding shadow priest?

[Zuben]

I was sure fighting the Legion over thousand years would lessen Alleria's hatred toward orcs, but apparently that didn't happen. However, with all the new information about what her people in Quel'thalas went through and how the Horde has been since the Third War, I think she can come to agree with Sylvanas's political situation. As to her undeadness, I don't think that would be enough to drive Alleria away, since it didn't drive Vereesa away either (War Crimes). The biggest problem would likely be how Sylvanas handles things these days in comparison to how she was pre-Arthas. Dabbling in Void powers could be a sign Alleria understands the necessity behind some of Sylvanas's actions (like the raising of new dead), but it can't be denied Sylvanas sometimes goes unnecessarily far with her cold pragmatism.

All in all, I think it won't be a walk in the park, but the eventual outcome will be that Alleria accepts Sylvanas. Unless the latter crosses the moral event horizon, like she almost did with Eyir.

[Aliven]

Any sane person would be horrified of what forsaken are and would want them destroyed. Alleria has means to do that with the army of light.

Ofc this is blizzard so she will reunite in some shitty fashion.

[Aquamonkey]

Any sane person would be horrified of what forsaken are and would want them destroyed. Alleria has means to do that with the army of light.

Ofc this is blizzard so she will reunite in some shitty fashion.

Forsaken are destined to be part of the Army of the Light.

[Aliven]

Forsaken are destined to be part of the Army of the Light.

Test targets?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Test targets?

its back in Anduin's short story.

[Darktbs]

Blizzard being Blizzard might be the only fucking reason why she doesn't immediately join the Horde and starts killing Alliance.

And why in her right mind she would do that?

[Aliven]

Blizzard being Blizzard might be the only fucking reason why she doesn't immediately join the Horde and starts killing Alliance.

Yeah, she should join Trolls and Orcs to start shooting High Elves, Humans, Dwarves.
Better yet, she should join her sister Sylvana in being rot filled undead abomination.

[Darktbs]

No, mostly her own people.. To fight against the betraying Alliance "members".


Because the Crown-Prince of the Alliance killed all her people. Duuuh!

Yeah its not like said prince fucked a whole lot of people.No, just the High elfs, and he clearly did this in the name of the Alliance.

[Aliven]

And neither did the Demonic Horde do it in the name of Thrall's Horde.
But apparently whatever those Orcs did is an argument but Arthas isn't? Lol.

Arthas wasnt alliance at that point. Betraying them and murdering kings kinda do that. Not that you would notice.

[Magnagarde]

Because the Crown-Prince of the Alliance killed all her people. Duuuh!

And the present-day Horde finished the rest of her people off in Theramore, Quel'danil and is attempting to kill whatever is left at Quel'lithien, after having made the undead high elves serve her in undeath. Totally good reason to join the Horde and kill the Alliance.

It is clear that Alleria doesn't approve of Sylvanas from the dialogues on Argus (why are people even disputing the obvious?) and it is also clear that her attitude will either soften up or she'll completely go ham, but one thing is certain; Alleria is another character that is going to be ruined by this whole transformation story. She became enough of a cliche when it turned out they were fighting the Legion for a "thousands years" embedded within the "Army of the Light", but now it has even gone beyond that.

[Darktbs]

And neither did the Demonic Horde do it in the name of Thrall's Horde.
But apparently whatever those Orcs did is an argument but Arthas isn't? Lol.

What this have to do with what i said?

Arthas didn't touch Quel'thalas until he was already a member of the Scourge, not the Alliance of Lordaeron, the whole time he was a human and member of the Alliance he only killed Undead and his own, which MIGHT include a couple of Elfs if we go by wc3 campaign.

If we go by your logic, Alleria should purge Silvermoon since Kael'thas, their ex-leader, joined Kil'jaeden, you know, one of Legion's second in command, which she spent over a millenium fighting.

[Magnagarde]

And neither did the Demonic Horde do it in the name of Thrall's Horde.
But apparently whatever those Orcs did is an argument but Arthas isn't? Lol.

The orcs that butchered Azeroth's living in the name of their demonic masters are the same orcs that are part of the present-day Horde, who have fought alongside and for Thrall. Every single orc that has green skin in the game is one of them.

Arthas and his Scourge that butchered Azeroth's living in the name of their demonic masters/Ner'zhul(another orc, go figure lol) are not part of the present-day Alliance nor was he part of the then-existing Alliance because their forces were fighting his(ie Uther, Garithos and more).

Your comparison would make sense only and only if the Forsaken were part of the present Alliance, meaning all they've done while being in the service of the Scourge would be equal to all the orcs have done in the service of the Burning Legion. The Forsaken are the human analogy of the corrupted orcs after they regained their free will, with the major difference(that also goes into the Alliance's favour) being the fact that the orcs willingly took up the corruption, whereas the Forsaken were human and high elven victims that were dealt their fate through the machinations of yet another orc(Ner'zhul). The Alliance is having none of their corrupted people that did monstrous things, but instead fights them.

It is extremely easy to conclude and prove how you're way off and completely wrong in your comparison. I'm not even trying to blame the present Horde and their characters over what the characters of the old Horde did(huge fan of Thrall's Horde right here), but you seriously need to piece your comparisons together a lot better lol

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What this have to do with what i said?

Arthas didn't touch Quel'thalas until he was already a member of the Scourge, not the Alliance of Lordaeron, the whole time he was a human and member of the Alliance he only killed Undead and his own, which MIGHT include a couple of Elfs if we go by wc3 campaign.

If we go by your logic, Alleria should purge Silvermoon since Kael'thas, their ex-leader, joined Kil'jaeden, you know, one of Legion's second in command, which she spent over a millenium fighting.

What he wrote makes absolutely no sense lol he tried to draw a comparison, but completely lost his compass.

What he wrote would make sense only if the Forsaken were part of the Alliance. Unlike the Horde, the Alliance has always fought its corrupted people.