Would you support an estate(death) tax of 75%?

[Zoranon]

And I do think that; society is the ultimate owner of all property under its jurisdiction as it is the only entity with sufficient force to back it up.

Don't like taxes? Change the law. You're represented to shut up.

People like you are exactly why I despise socialism and statism. I am not a property of the state. The state is there to serve me and other citizens, not the other way around.

Oh and by your logic, minorities can be repressed at will, since it is the law and they are represented...

[Unkempt]

If they're dead, they can't make that decision; nor does it matter since it's a legal tax.

If that's the case, why do we have any law regarding wills in general? They're dead, why do they care right? If I die, why should I have a will to state what I want to happen to my kids, the government should just make that decision for me too? Or does the government only have the right to make decisions for me if my net worth is over $5 million for some bizarre reason? Why should it be any different for a trinket that has been passed down from my grandfather and his father before him compared to some property that has been in our family for 100 years we hunt on that now is selling for $4,000 an acre and we own 1500 acres?

What about death entitles the government to betray wishes and make decisions for you?

[Elegiac]

People like you are exactly why I despise socialism and statism. I am not a property of the state. The state is there to serve me and other citizens, not the other way around.

The 'other citizens part' being critical.

The state exists as an instrument to implement society's will. It does not exist to cater to individuals, regardless of what Ayn Rand says.

Oh and by your logic, minorities can be repressed at will, since it is the law and they are represented...

If they are being oppressed then they aren't being represented by definition.

[petej0]

Then they should have been listed as joint owners in which case X person dying is moot.

Regardless.

But really, it's irrelevant; we're straying into the realm of a hypothetical so unlikely as to be worth ignoring simply because the benefits outweigh the detriments.

Oh, right. Because it doesnt happen to families.

And don't even start pretending you give a shit about people in need, Mister "Poor people are only poor because they're lazy".

Did I say that?

[IIamaKing]

Id love to see a flow chart showing how many times a dollar earned is taxed. Taxed when you earn it, taxed if you save it, taxed when you spend it, taxed if too much is gifted, taxed if you die. How many times is a dollar taxed?

[Elegiac]

If that's the case, why do we have any law regarding wills in general? They're dead, why do they care right? If I die, why should I have a will to state what I want to happen to my kids, the government should just make that decision for me too? Or does the government only have the right to make decisions for me if my net worth is over $5 million for some bizarre reason? Why should it be any different for a trinket that has been passed down from my grandfather and his father before him compared to some property that has been in our family for 100 years we hunt on that now is selling for $4,000 an acre and we own 1500 acres?

What about death entitles the government to betray wishes and make decisions for you?

The government already makes that decision for you; by setting limits on the scope of what a last will and testament can actually do. You can't write a will ordering that your kids be burnt at the stake, for instance.

Ultimately, wills exist because it is a useful labor saving instrument rather than having every piece of property held intestate and having to have the state make those sorts of decisions every single time someone expires. But if there is demonstrated need for the scope of inheritance to be limited, it can and should be. Wills exist to fill the void that the state has deemed it a waste of effort to fill by itself.

[petej0]

Id love to see a flow chart showing how many times a dollar earned is taxed. Taxed when you earn it, taxed if you save it, taxed when you spend it, taxed if too much is gifted, taxed if you die. How many times is a dollar taxed?

Its taxed anytime money is earned. If you made money on savings interest then that is income that should be taxed. I dont see anything wrong with that. Same with gifted and I would agree with death tax. 75% is way too much though.

[Elegiac]

Regardless.

Oh, right. Because it doesnt happen to families.

If they couldn't be assed to prepare their loved ones to support themselves while they were alive, it's a case of 'too bad'.

Did I say that?

You're right wing, your philosophy is based on that assumption.

[BuckSparkles]

People like you are exactly why I despise socialism and statism..

People like him are why brutal totalitarian states arise. Oh you are property of the state and we can dispose of you if we decide you have no value to our idea of society.

[Reverb256]

The rich people would find away around it with their expensive lawyers, while everyone else would just accept it without even thinking of trying to get around it. Self-defeating.

[Elegiac]

People like him are why brutal totalitarian states arise. Oh you are property of the state and we can dispose of you if we decide you have no value to our idea of society.

People are not 'property of the state', nor have I claimed as such. I simply don't take stock in the idea that property rights are handed down from on high and not constructed to service social need.

[petej0]

If they couldn't be assed to prepare their loved ones to support themselves while they were alive, it's a case of 'too bad'.

Oh..I see.

You're right wing, your philosophy is based on that assumption.

Your assumptions only made you an ass. I live in PA, I am black, I am atheist, I didnt vote republican, I am for gay marriage and trans people using whatever bathroom they identify with. So what other labels do you want to throw at me? Dont believe me, search my post history.

[Zoranon]

The 'other citizens part' being critical.

The state exists as an instrument to implement society's will. It does not exist to cater to individuals, regardless of what Ayn Rand says.



If they are being oppressed then they aren't being represented by definition.

There is no such thing as a will of the society, in case you have not notices, humans are not controlled by a hive mind, nor is there some collective consciousness.

They are represented in the parliament all right, but they are a minority run over by a majority, something you celebrate.

[Elegiac]

Oh..I see.

Your assumptions only made you an ass. I live in PA, I am black, I am atheist, I didnt vote republican, I am for gay marriage and trans people using whatever bathroom they identify with. So what other labels do you want to throw at me? Dont believe me, search my post history.

None of those things absolve you of being right wing, point in fact. Policy points do not a political ideology make.

[Zoranon]

People like him are why brutal totalitarian states arise. Oh you are property of the state and we can dispose of you if we decide you have no value to our idea of society.

You are sadly correct, see his next post for an even more evil thing, "will of the society". In my country that used to be called will of the working class...

[Elegiac]

There is no such thing as a will of the society, in case you have not notices, humans are not controlled by a hive mind, nor is there some collective consciousness.

Oh, so humans, despite being a highly social animal, are incapable of acting in groups in ways that demonstrate high levels of variance from how individuals act.

They are represented in the parliament all right, but they are a minority run over by a majority, something you celebrate.

We're talking about taxes, not civil rights. Please get you head in the game.

[Zoranon]

Oh, so humans, despite being a highly social animal, are incapable of acting in groups in ways that demonstrate high levels of variance from how individuals act.



We're talking about taxes, not civil rights. Please get you head in the game.

Nothing you said demonstrates the existence of any will of the society. It does not exist.

Taxes touch property rights which are civil rights, try to keep up please

[Glorious Leader]

There is no such thing as a will of the society, in case you have not notices, humans are not controlled by a hive mind, nor is there some collective consciousness.

They are represented in the parliament all right, but they are a minority run over by a majority, something you celebrate.

Ridiculous. Humans behave in collective activity all the time with or without a hive mind. You see we have these things called businesses and corporations and typically they include groups of people working together COLLECTIVELY towards some goal usually to make a buck.

[Elegiac]

Nothing you said demonstrates the existence of any will of the society. It does not exist.

Really? The premise of modern 'Euro-Atlantic Civilisation' is that there is a general will and it can be quantified by adequate democratic representation.

Taxes touch property rights which are civil rights, try to keep up please

Property rights are not civil rights.

[Alixie]

Only the most rich in the country are effected by the inheritance tax, who usually find loopholes to keep that money anyway.

I don't get this mentality of sucking millionaire dick. You will never that wealthy, unless you were born into it, hence the name of the tax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate..._United_States