Protesters destroy confederate monument in Durham

[Shadowmelded]

So, in your mind, The German National Socialist Worker's Party was not at all a left leaning party? What? Hint: If the party name says "workers", it's either Socialism or Communism.

So by that logic North Korea is Democratic.

[Deleted]

He is factually INcorrect. Racism and bigotry typically/always fall to the right political spectrum.

On the social spectrum, not on the economical spectrum.

For example, Pol Pot and Khmer Rogue killed millions based on religious and ethnic backgrounds, combining elements of Marxism with Khmer nationalism.

[downnola]

But racism is - which is what Hitler was all about. Just in case you missed that in your history class.

Eugenics was fairly popular on the left in the late 1800's and early 1900's. It's one of the darker sides of progressive politics that people rarely hear about. It should also be noted that the USSR was fairly anti-Semitic, especially under Stalin. You also find anti-Semitic sentiments from the far-left in reference to Palestine's conflict with Israel.

I don't bring this up to draw an equivalence between the left and right, but racism is a complex problem that you can't reduce to a left or right issue.

[Tijuana]

Because it appealed to the masses. You're right about history being what it is though;


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commun...rmany#Nazi_era


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...2.80.931945.29

Truly the work of a socialist who "sought Marx's goals"

You are only correct in that a Communist party is factually the left of a Socialist party. They are both creatures of the left overall, however.

[Raptor With a Saber]

You know the more that has come out the more and more they are giving the the far right justification. They attacked that guys car, attacked them and now destorying statues and threatening public safetly.

[Alexeht]

Damn commies.

You sound like a cliche.

Amount people commies killed during WWII is much bigger than amount of kills nazi had...

[Pannonian]

So, in your mind, The German National Socialist Worker's Party was not at all a left leaning party? What? Hint: If the party name says "workers", it's either Socialism or Communism.

No, this is history, you cannot argue historic facts with your little semantic tricks. I'll seriously answer you if you at least manage to link to a serious academical source which repeats your outlandish claims, because yeah, what you're doing is history revisionism, and i know not one credible historian spouting the same nonsensical claims as you do.

But let me try again: Hitler surfed on the wave of populism, and socialism was popular, but Hitler was never a socialist and any socialist elements were purged from the party in 1934, as was laid out eloquently for you already.

[Deleted]

But factually he was from a left leaning "worker's party" and moved them further left. I mean, history is what it is.

And then he killed all the left wing of the party in 1934. If he was a socialist, it was back in the 1920s, before the Munich Putch.

[Tijuana]

Eugenics was fairly popular on the left in the late 1800's and early 1900's. It's one of the darker sides of progressive politics that people rarely hear about. It should also be noted that USSR was fairly anti-Semitic, especially under Stalin. You also find anti-Semitic sentiments from the far-left in reference to Palestine's conflict with Israel.

I don't bring this up to draw an equivalence between the left and right, but racism is a complex problem that you can't reduce to a left or right issue.

Hitler literally sought advice from Democrats in regards to Eugenics. The word "progressive" would be a dirty word if people read history.

[cubby]

Source please for Trump supporting David Duke and Steve Bannon secretly hating his Jewish best friend.

Phase 4! Asking for sources and then not reading them. (Phase 5 is ignoring them and "moving on" - in case anyone is popping corn)

If you don't know by now that Bannon is a devote racist, then you just haven't been paying attention. Bannon and a small handful of people in the Trump White House are devout racists and neo-nazi sympathizers. Based on groups they have supported and been a part of in the past.

[D3thray]

What bigotry are you seeing from the modern left? Are you seeing a lot of racism from the ACLU lately? Please stop with your ridiculous statements - they are factually and intellectually incorrect.

Ok, quick and dirty example. Remember those 5 cops gunned down in Dallas by a BLM supporter? How quick was the American left to condemn as a whole BLM as a hate group?


Oh they never did? Gee. Odd. I mean they jumped all over those guys in Charlottesville after one guy rammed the crowd with his car. Maybe they just didn't know it happened?

[Darkeon]

That's what I've been saying this whole time. What are we disagreeing about again?

You tell me. I clearly stated, in the first post you quoted, that I was against the Destruction\Erasure of these statues.

If someone - by legal means - gets them removed, they should be placed in a museum for learning\remembrance purposes instead of simply being targets of vandalism or completely destroyed.

[Shadowmelded]

You are only correct in that a Communist party is factually the left of a Socialist party. They are both creatures of the left overall, however.

Who were immediately repressed when the Nazis got into power, debunking your ridiculous claim that Hitler was left wing and an admirer of Marx.

[Flarelaine]

http://www.snopes.com/confederate-hi...ave-ownership/

"Robert E. Lee, the commander of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia and (from 1865) the general-in-chief of Confederate forces, neither owned slaves nor inherited any"

"In May 1858, Lee wrote to his son Rooney, "I have had some trouble with some of the people. Reuben, Parks & Edward, in the beginning of the previous week, rebelled against my authority—refused to obey my orders, & said they were as free as I was, etc., etc.—I succeeded in capturing them & lodging them in jail. They resisted till overpowered & called upon the other people to rescue them." Less than two months after they were sent to the Alexandria jail, Lee decided to remove these three men and three female house slaves from Arlington, and sent them under lock and key to the slave-trader William Overton Winston in Richmond, who was instructed to keep them in jail until he could find "good & responsible" slaveholders to work them until the end of the five-year period."

He may not have been named owner of those slaves, but sounds like he participated in running the institution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert..._Custis_slaves

[Tijuana]

It is worrisome that people actually believe as he does. Because if folks like him legitimately believe normal GOP are nazis, they can justify violence against them much easier.

It's dangerous.

ALL authoritarian parties and governments are dangerous. Unfortunately, most governments qualify as this.

[Pannonian]

Amount people commies killed during WWII is much bigger than amount of kills nazi had...

Because the one thing Nazis stand out for is industrialized genocide, no one before has done that on such a massive scale and no one after them. 6 Million jews deliberately killed in the deathcamps. You want to continue?

[Rhamses]

Ok, quick and dirty example. Remember those 5 cops gunned down in Dallas by a BLM supporter? How quick was the American left to condemn as a whole BLM as a hate group?


Oh they never did? Gee. Odd. I mean they jumped all over those guys in Charlottesville after one guy rammed the crowd with his car. Maybe they just didn't know it happened?

Because BLM disavowed that guy and said that he did not represent their movement.

The Neo-Nazis and the KKK have yet to disavow the guy who plowed into those protestors. Hell, many in those groups are claiming that he is a hero.

[Shadowmelded]

You know the more that has come out the more and more they are giving the the far right justification. They attacked that guys car, attacked them and now destorying statues and threatening public safetly.

He was already accelerating before one guy hit the back of his car with a sign. Honestly it's quite sickening that you think there's any justification for the events that happened at the rally and any subsequent actions by the far right.

[Tijuana]

Neo-Nazis and the KKK are part of the right. Again, the Republican party has actively courted their support since the 1960s.

Neo-Nazis and Neo-KKK are NOT party of the right, no matter what they themselves think. However REAL-Nazis and REAL-KKK were part of the left.

Also, the South didn't flip to the red until the 1980's. The argument that the racists changes sides is false. Most just died off.

[cubby]

Sure. Ok. Prove to me Robert E. Lee fought for slavery. Show me his personal motivations. I mean ok, on the outward appearance he openly stated he was against secession and only joined the confederate army because Virginia was his home. And sure I mean he was a great advocate for reconstruction and reintegration afterwards, a model of graciousness in defeat. But ok you clearly have a direct line to the mind of a man dead for 167 years.

History isn't black and white. It's as gray as a confederate uniform. You can find historical monsters quite easily. Robert E. Lee wasn't one of them.

Wasn't Robert E. Lee the head of the Confederate Army? The Army that was fighting to succeed from the United States because of slavery being abolished? He represents the slavery side. Learn from him. Read about him. Just don't celebrate him in a public way. Not difficult.