Man displaying Confederate flag fired from job site

[stomination]

Well yeah. What else would he be?

An illegal immigrant who doesn't have citizenship in Canada.

[Jtbrig7390]

Usually i'd say he has a right to display what he wants, but since he was there for work related reasons he is representing his company. Given the recent events in VA the man should have known better, but maybe he should have been given a warning first?

Because of the bolded I say no he shouldn't have gotten a warning. Hes a grown ass man and knows what that flag stands for.

[Wolfman31]

No one here is advocating throwing rocks. Of course, I would completely support violence against people who are actually violent racist but that's more borderline self defense and not assault. Regardless, we're talking about firing people and social repercussions, not violence against them. So your entire long winded post is just a huge strawman and pointless.

People shouldn't be fired from their jobs because of their worldview. That's discrimination. The Equal Employment Opportunity Act also covers political affiliations.

[Jtbrig7390]

People shouldn't be fired from their jobs because of their worldview. That's discrimination. The Equal Employment Opportunity Act also covers political affiliations.

First bolded: No it isn't.

Second bolded:

The employment section of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, known as Title VII, prohibits discrimination based on race, color, national origin, sex, and religion, and also prohibits employers from retaliating against any employee who exercises his or her rights under Title VII.

Not one part of that law protects from political affiliations.

A company is out for itself, They are not going to have a open racist work for them when that can hurt there brand. Doesn't matter if you are at the job site or not. When you work for a company you represent that company.

By ur logic Toy's R Us should allow child molesters to work there...

[Wolfman31]

Racism isn't a political affiliation, that's also just blatantly false. It also sorta depends what their worldview is don't you think? You seem to be suggesting all discrimination is bad. Guess we can't discriminate against people who can't do a job.

First bolded: No it isn't.

Second bolded:


Not one part of that law protects from political affiliations.

A company is out for itself, They are not going to have a open racist work for them when that can hurt there brand. Doesn't matter if you are at the job site or not. When you work for a company you represent that company.

By ur logic Toy's R Us should allow child molesters to work there...

You're right. It's not the EEOC but rather the CSRA that protects employees from being discriminated against for their political affiliation.

"The CSRA prohibits any employee who has authority to take certain personnel actions from discriminating for or against employees or applicants for employment on the bases of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, age or disability. It also provides that certain personnel actions can not be based on attributes or conduct that do not adversely affect employee performance, such as marital status and political affiliation."

And while racism itself is not a political affiliation, there is plenty of racial motivation in politics. National Socialism itself is proof. Nazis don't just happen to be racist. You can't be a Nazi and not be a racist. And it's a political party. So is the KKK. They've both been active in American politics on some level or another since they came into existence. Now obviously.. if you're a Nazi and you work in customer service, your worldview might conflict with your ability to do your job, especially if you have a giant swastika tattooed on your face or something. But these clean cut white kids holding tiki torches in Charlottesville might have a case to make in court if they lose their jobs because they attended a white nationalist political rally. The letter of the law must be followed at all times, even when it comes to Nazis because if one group can be excluded from their rights based on their beliefs, then it stands that any group can be as well.

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It's Canada....

Uff the canadians are just as bad, but in the other direction tbh, going out of their way to take in a stupidly small percentage of european refugees, personally id rather see trumps idiocy than trudeaus overdrive political correctness.

It makes more sens ethat its canada really.

[Garnier Fructis]

You're right. It's not the EEOC but rather the CSRA that protects employees from being discriminated against for their political affiliation.

"The CSRA prohibits any employee who has authority to take certain personnel actions from discriminating for or against employees or applicants for employment on the bases of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, age or disability. It also provides that certain personnel actions can not be based on attributes or conduct that do not adversely affect employee performance, such as marital status and political affiliation."

And while racism itself is not a political affiliation, there is plenty of racial motivation in politics. National Socialism itself is proof. Nazis don't just happen to be racist. You can't be a Nazi and not be a racist. And it's a political party. So is the KKK. They've both been active in American politics on some level or another since they came into existence. Now obviously.. if you're a Nazi and you work in customer service, your worldview might conflict with your ability to do your job, especially if you have a giant swastika tattooed on your face or something. But these clean cut white kids holding tiki torches in Charlottesville might have a case to make in court if they lose their jobs because they attended a white nationalist political rally. The letter of the law must be followed at all times, even when it comes to Nazis because if one group can be excluded from their rights based on their beliefs, then it stands that any group can be as well.

The Civil Service Reform Act is about federal employees. Employees in the public sector have first amendment protection because they work for the government, and it would be a violation of the first amendment if the government discriminated based on that.

Flag dude is a private sector employee. CRSA doesn't apply.

[Bakasumi]

As im sitting here right now reading this with my roommate who is a black american and laughing. We see the confederate flag as a rebel flag or for southern pride. Slaves have been used since the beginning of time no matter their color. We have given so much power to the meaning of certain stereotypes, flags, symbols, and words. But we have the ability to take away that power as a human race. Black Americans have learned to use the world nigga among their own culture in non racial connotation but from a social stand point its still a racial term. So black people are racist to right? If my roommate gets a swastika tattoo for a symbol of luck does really matter if the black culture hates on him for it because to him it means a sign of luck? As humans we just need something to hate on and will never stop it will involve into something else down the road.

[Aurrora]

I'm confused, this happened in Canada right? Why are people discussing the Civil Rights Act as if it has any bearing on this?

[Garnier Fructis]

I'm confused, this happened in Canada right? Why are people discussing the Civil Rights Act as if it has any bearing on this?

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I completely failed to pay attention.

[Egomaniac]

The Civil Service Reform Act is about federal employees. Employees in the public sector have first amendment protection because they work for the government, and it would be a violation of the first amendment if the government discriminated based on that.

Flag dude is a private sector employee. CRSA doesn't apply.

Also, The CSRA is an American law...and this happened in Canada. So it really really really doesnt apply here

[Garnier Fructis]

Also, The CSRA is an American law...and this happened in Canada. So it really really really doesnt apply here

In my defense, I was replying to a guy who was talking about it.

[jibberbox85]

All 50 US states recognize at-will employment. At-will employment is a term used in U.S. labor law for contractual relationships in which an employee can be dismissed by an employer for any reason (that is, without having to establish "just cause" for termination), and without warning.

Do you believe in this same reasoning for Colin Kaepernick? NFL teams also have the right to choose who they fire/hire, but is currently being pressured by groups like the NAACP that there will be a boycott of the NFL if some team doesn't pick him up.

[Egomaniac]

In my defense, I was replying to a guy who was talking about it.

Yeah, I dig. My rebuke goes double for him.

[FAILoZOFF]

No, you don't have freedom of consequence, which is alright by me. But you do have the right to freely express your speech. If you burn the national flag and then get fired for it, it's the same damn thing here.

It makes as much sense as you arguing that there was freedom of speech under communist rules, specially during the time of stalin. You had the freedom to say "blah blah blah, communism sux, blah blah" but you weren't free of consequences, like getting shot in the head of being imprisoned if you were veeeery lucky.
If that's the freedom of speech then, well... we have a different vision of what a "freedom of speech" is.

[Egomaniac]

It makes as much sense as you arguing that there was freedom of speech under communist rules, specially during the time of stalin. You had the freedom to say "blah blah blah, communism sux, blah blah" but you weren't free of consequences, like getting shot in the head of being imprisoned if you were veeeery lucky.
If that's the freedom of speech then, well... we have a different vision of what a "freedom of speech" is.

What you are describing is not freedom of speech in any form. Freedom of speech means that the government cannot take action against you for your speech.

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to privately owned businesses.

[Gorgodeus]

Do you believe in this same reasoning for Colin Kaepernick? NFL teams also have the right to choose who they fire/hire, but is currently being pressured by groups like the NAACP that there will be a boycott of the NFL if some team doesn't pick him up.

Why are you trying to compare the two? NFL teams can hire whomever they wish and people are free to boycott whomever they wish.

[jibberbox85]

Why are you trying to compare the two? NFL teams can hire whomever they wish and people are free to boycott whomever they wish.

Hmm, lets see. Both the stories have two guys who are protesting by controversial methods for their own specific causes in the name of Free Speech. Also, you're correct that they can boycott, but it doesn't change the fact that no NFL team should've have to hire Mr. Kaepernick based off pressure from groups like the NAACP.

[Gorgodeus]

Hmm, lets see. Both the stories have two guys who are protesting by controversial methods for their own specific causes in the name of Free Speech. Also, you're correct that they can boycott, but it doesn't change the fact that no NFL team should've have to hire Mr. Kaepernick based off pressure from groups like the NAACP.

There are laws prohibiting discrimination in hiring someone because of their actual or assumed political beliefs or activities. The NFLs' TV ratings have seen a significant drop due to people siding with Kaepernick in his stance. As more players continue to put pressure on the NFL, you will see the NFL change its' tune.

[Wolfman31]

The Civil Service Reform Act is about federal employees. Employees in the public sector have first amendment protection because they work for the government, and it would be a violation of the first amendment if the government discriminated based on that.

Flag dude is a private sector employee. CRSA doesn't apply.

Well it should. With as highly politicized as everything is now in this country, your political affiliation is just as big of an identifier as your religion and sexual orientation. As long as it doesn't interfere with your ability to do you job, you should be free to be whatever you want to be, even if that means being a Nazi or Klansman. And by the same token, the anarcho-communist Antifa kids should get that same liberty despite being just as ideologically dangerous as the fascists they're clashing with.