Sylvanas, Alleria, Vereesa - Your predictions for the future

[anaxie]

That comes from someone who was wondering why stormwind didnt help quel thalas in the 3rd war

Too busy doing nothing werent they.

[Al Gorefiend]

Vol'jin wouldn't have joined the Alliance but would have joined the Zandalari. And the Zandalari, much like the rest of the troll tribes, are definitely not friends of either Horde and Alliance. I mean, take a look at what Vol'jin ponders about at the very beginning of the novel:



In the novel he literally ponders about the fact that, if he really wanted to, Vol'jin and his Darkspear could have exploited all the intel regarding Durotar to spearhead a Zandalari invasion of the place, with consequent destruction of the Horde, then doing the same with the Alliance once the Horde was dealt with.

Yes, Vol'jin had his doubts and eventually had a change of heart. But it took him the whole novel to eventually make the decision that brought us to the 5.3, until then this other "alternative" kept hanging in his mind.

The novel does give us an insight into his brain, where he does ponder what joining the Zandalari would be like. But he obviously knows it would be betrayal to do so and it never so much as leaves his brain into conversation. It was just a rogue thought he had.

Reality is, he declared war on the Zandalari at the reunification ceremony. He point-blankly told Prophet Zul of the Zandalari that he would resist the reunification because the Horde is his family, not the trolls. That's Vol'jin casting aside any and all racial prejudices the Blood Elves (err, all elves really) can never seem to do.

And by the way, where exactly is Lor'themar's military.. ever? Even in 2.4, the fight for the Sunwell was launched as a joint effort of the Aldor and Scryers. The single largest assault relevant to Lor'themar's interests and he doesn't. even. appear. This is like a... a "liberate the echo isles" pre-cata event where the darkspear trolls cant be bothered to leave Orgrimmar.

He really isn't doing much of anything to help the Horde. Aethas at least sacrificed every shred of dignity he owned to grovel and beg Khadgar to let the Horde bunk in Dalaran again. Liadrin launched the Suramar offensive with Tyrande and Vereesa, Rommath lends his aid to the archmage. Lor'themar is really coming across as both a hack and a pansy.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The novel does give us an insight into his brain, where he does ponder what joining the Zandalari would be like. But he obviously knows it would be betrayal to do so and it never so much as leaves his brain into conversation. It was just a rogue thought he had.

Reality is, he declared war on the Zandalari at the reunification ceremony. He point-blankly told Prophet Zul of the Zandalari that he would resist the reunification because the Horde is his family, not the trolls. That's Vol'jin casting aside any and all racial prejudices the Blood Elves (err, all elves really) can never seem to do.

And by the way, where exactly is Lor'themar's military.. ever? Even in 2.4, the fight for the Sunwell was launched as a joint effort of the Aldor and Scryers. The single largest assault relevant to Lor'themar's interests and he doesn't. even. appear. This is like a... a "liberate the echo isles" pre-cata event where the darkspear trolls cant be bothered to leave Orgrimmar.

He really isn't doing much of anything to help the Horde. Aethas at least sacrificed every shred of dignity he owned to grovel and beg Khadgar to let the Horde bunk in Dalaran again. Liadrin launched the Suramar offensive with Tyrande and Vereesa, Rommath lends his aid to the archmage. Lor'themar is really coming across as both a hack and a pansy.

Who do you think answer too? Every thing they do Lorthemar has a hand in. Also the blood elves are his, any blood elf forces while serving under Liadrin, are his military.

also rogue thoughts are the defense for Vol'jin? There was no confirmation that the talks would end with the blood elves joining the Alliance. Lorthemar is just as guilty as the somehow blameless Vol'jin, who fucking told Garrosh he planned to kill him. There was almost no unity in the Horde that point, and to complain that the blood elves thought about joining the Alliance when the Horde was a raving shitshow, while simultaneously trying to say the Horde was all buddy buddy with each-other is weird.

[Hammerfest]

I don't think Sylvanas should have any relationship with her kin.

[DJ117]

The goal was to enhance the plague to ALSO work against undead.
It's not their fault that the Alliance wasn't even trying to develop a weapon against the Scourge, they just want to rely on plot armour.

Nothing wrong with it? They are at war.

Instead of calling them an evil cult and claiming they want to rule the world, you could also provide evidence for those claims?

Funny how you support Sylvanas but not Trump.

[Al Gorefiend]

Who do you think answer too? Every thing they do Lorthemar has a hand in. Also the blood elves are his, any blood elf forces while serving under Liadrin, are his military.

also rogue thoughts are the defense for Vol'jin? There was no confirmation that the talks would end with the blood elves joining the Alliance. Lorthemar is just as guilty as the somehow blameless Vol'jin, who fucking told Garrosh he planned to kill him. There was almost no unity in the Horde that point, and to complain that the blood elves thought about joining the Alliance when the Horde was a raving shitshow, while simultaneously trying to say the Horde was all buddy buddy with each-other is weird.

Vol'jin wanted to dispose of Garrosh so that all the races of the Horde could be free and united again. Vol'jin showed he cares enough about the Horde - all members of the Horde and not just his trolls, to risk his life time and time again to see Orgrimmar liberated. He led the rebellion to avenge the HORDE, the collaborative. Lor'themar simply decided he wasn't getting what he wanted out of the faction anymore with Garrosh in charge, and wanted to just take himself and his people and join the winning team. The fact that he'd leave all his best friends to get back with his ex-girlfriend the Alliance who hates all his friends, then join her in mocking and hating all his ex-best friends who stuck up for him, is pretty disgusting behavior in Warcraft High.

We're discussing two characters with polar opposite moralities here.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Vol'jin wanted to dispose of Garrosh so that all the races of the Horde could be free and united again. Vol'jin showed he cares enough about the Horde - all members of the Horde and not just his trolls, to risk his life time and time again to see Orgrimmar liberated. He led the rebellion to avenge the HORDE, the collaborative. Lor'themar simply decided he wasn't getting what he wanted out of the faction anymore with Garrosh in charge, and wanted to just take himself and his people and join the winning team. The fact that he'd leave all his best friends to get back with his ex-girlfriend the Alliance who hates all his friends, then join her in mocking and hating all his ex-best friends who stuck up for him, is pretty disgusting behavior in Warcraft High.

We're discussing two characters with polar opposite moralities here.

You do realize one person can't do shit right? Vol'jin only had the momentum he needed to do anything after he came back from assasination. Was Lorthemar supposed to go "Well baine already readily accepts help from the Alliance, the Darkspear can't help me their leader was killed, Sylvanas isn't the most reliable ally and won't be able to fight Garrossh by herself, but I'm going to stick by the guy who is getting my people killed."

Lorthemar chose his people over Garrosh, so did Vol'jin. It wasn't about a winning team, it was about not having his people killed.

You can say that he would immediately go in and start killing Horde races, but again thats your assumption and not actually based on Lor'themar's goals.

[Difuid]

I am quite intrigued of how long will Alleria cope with the whispers of the Void Lords.. also how will Turalyon react once he learns about how far she has gone.

[Deleted]

It is weird for the story to veer so much into high elf lore and them not beeing a playable race. I think they need to add them as race or sub-race and make different stanced models for them. It would make for great tension between the factions and push the belfs more into the horde.

Something will need to be brought up for horde aswell ofc.

And no i don't care about ridiculous stories on how there isn't enough of them, so save it.

[Friendlyimmolation]

It is weird for the story to veer so much into high elf lore and them not beeing a playable race. I think they need to add them as race or sub-race and make different stanced models for them. It would make for great tension between the factions and push the belfs more into the horde.

Something will need to be brought up for horde aswell ofc.

And no i don't care about ridiculous stories on how there isn't enough of them, so save it.

And the painful things that shouldn't need to be repeated but seemingly need to be anyways..

They won't get their own models, and you won't have them playable. Blizzard's stance on the subject is not "Ridiculous stories, " Nor does your weak attempt at saying otherwise change that. The story hasn't veered into high elf lore at all.

[Zulkhan]

The novel does give us an insight into his brain, where he does ponder what joining the Zandalari would be like. But he obviously knows it would be betrayal to do so and it never so much as leaves his brain into conversation. It was just a rogue thought he had.

Except it was an hypothetical scenario in which Vol'jin had yet to take a decision about what to do with his and his tribe existence. He literally went through the equivalent of an identity crisis as Garrosh's attempted assassination made him wonder which was his actual and rightful place in the world, if siding with his "biological" people and help them reclaim Azeroth for themselves was the correct way to go, if this was what the Loa wanted from him. The novel guides Vol'jin through a learning/understanding process affecting him on a psychological/spiritual level. And half of the reason why Vol'jin denied the Zandalari is how their grand ambitions looked intrinsically flawed as did Garrosh's own ambitions, while the Horde envisioned by Thrall held a far greater potential in his mind. It wasn't just about caring, it was also about a judged pragmatic efficiency that the Zandalari's and Garrosh's obsessed mindsets lacked.

Reality is, he declared war on the Zandalari at the reunification ceremony. He point-blankly told Prophet Zul of the Zandalari that he would resist the reunification because the Horde is his family, not the trolls. That's Vol'jin casting aside any and all racial prejudices the Blood Elves (err, all elves really) can never seem to do.

Vol'jin and his Darkspear are the obvious exception (mostly because they built strong relations with tons of non-Troll people) we know Trolls usually value racial superiority and racism as much as Elves. Trolls are also divided in multiple tribes and each tribe tend to work on protect itself foremost. On this regard we can see Blood Elves as one big "tribe" given what's remained of them is forced to stay very much united. Yes, Vol'jin shitted on peer pressure and said fuck off to the whole of his brethren back in 4.1 but those were far quietier times. In MoP both Vol'jin and Lor'themar saw Garrosh as an increasingly grave threat for their respective peoples and both considered alternatives they never would have thought to consider again (as there's no dobut that Lor'themar must have despised the idea of rejoining the Alliance much like Vol'jin despised the one of backpedal from his previous stance with the Zandalari).

We're discussing two characters with polar opposite moralities here.

Heh, not really. Removed all the cultural/racial obvious differences and the two of them are basically the Horde leaders that resemble each other the most. Both are very pragmatic with a solid hint of idealism. Vol'jin's idealism is a bit stronger only because he's one of the leaders that made the Horde what is today. You can't blame Lor'themar for not having the same exact perspective as he and Vol'jin came from very different places.

[Deleted]

Sylvanas dindu nuffin wrong.

Did I say that right?

Word. It's like Garrosh all over again.

[Zulkhan]

Word. It's like Garrosh all over again.

Garrosh was at odds with the rest of the Horde from basically the first day he sat on the seat. Not really comparable.

[Deleted]

The blood elves took care of their problem

Arthas rampaged around destroying kingdoms because of his kingdom and uthers failure to stop him.

Uther trained him when the silverhand members said no way

And its kind of a big deal to mention HEY Sister

Almost everyone is dead

Those lordaerinians with garithos formed the scarlet crusade. And garithos was eaten because fuck him

Learn the lore pleb

Lol, so blood elves are of the hook because their prince was a bigger loser than Lordaeronian one? This is hilarious. By the way, Arthas was made to destroy Quel'Thalas by Ner'zhul, a former Horde member. And part of the forces that Arthas destroyed Quel'thalas with are now also Horde, as Forsaken. Blood elves allied themselves literally with those who destroyed their kingdoms.

Scarlet Crusade is not part of Alliance. And it doesn't change the fact that Garithos represented Lordaeron. So Lordaeron was the one who screwed blood elves and for all means and purposes blood elves are now allied with it in the Horde.

So, blood elves allied themselves with those who tried to destroy their homeland once and with those who actually did it. Truly a principled race.

[anaxie]

Lol, so blood elves are of the hook because their prince was a bigger loser than Lordaeronian one? This is hilarious. By the way, Arthas was made to destroy Quel'Thalas by Ner'zhul, a former Horde member. And part of the forces that Arthas destroyed Quel'thalas with are now also Horde, as Forsaken. Blood elves allied themselves literally with those who destroyed their kingdoms.

Scarlet Crusade is not part of Alliance. And it doesn't change the fact that Garithos represented Lordaeron. So Lordaeron was the one who screwed blood elves and for all means and purposes blood elves are now allied with it in the Horde.

So, blood elves allied themselves with those who tried to destroy their homeland once and with those who actually did it. Truly a principled race.

Nice mental gymnastics
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[The Iron Fist]

Man, oh man... this thread is rife with Blood Elf fanboys. Can't wait to see the look in their eyes when High Elves are announced as the new playable Alliance race with Alleria as their leader at Blizzcon later this year. The forums should be GLORIOUS.

/topkek

[Al Gorefiend]

Man, oh man... this entire goddamn sub-forum is rife with Blood Elf fanboys. Can't wait to see the look in their eyes when High Elves are announced as the new playable Alliance race with Alleria as their leader at Blizzcon later this year. The forums should be GLORIOUS.

/topkek

FTFY.

Also high elves won't happen for gameplay reasons more than lore reasons. lore sub can argue all they want.

[Tabrotar]

Man, oh man... this thread is rife with Blood Elf fanboys. Can't wait to see the look in their eyes when High Elves are announced as the new playable Alliance race with Alleria as their leader at Blizzcon later this year. The forums should be GLORIOUS.

/topkek

Most of them are also sylvanas fanbois so anything said about her will always be dismissed.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Man, oh man... this thread is rife with Blood Elf fanboys. Can't wait to see the look in their eyes when High Elves are announced as the new playable Alliance race with Alleria as their leader at Blizzcon later this year. The forums should be GLORIOUS.

/topkek

Incoherant rambling that doesn't even address the topic? Check.

Baseless claim that High elves are going to be playable desspite being proven wrong time and time again? Check.


Calling anyone you disagree with regardless of the topic a blood elf fanboy? Hilarious.

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Most of them are also sylvanas fanbois so anything said about her will always be dismissed.

-when you can't handle actual conversation so you just start calling people "fanbois" I'd actually be surprised if you have even read a single book with Alleria in it.

[Shampro]

-when you can't handle actual conversation so you just start calling people "fanbois" I'd actually be surprised if you have even read a single book with Alleria in it.

His/Her sign says it all, no point in discussion with someone like that.