New Nissan Leaf unveiled - Easily the best value Electric car

[Tennis]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...-leaf/preview/

The 2018 Nissan Leaf has just been revealed, and it's a car that should make you sit up and take notice. While the world has paying more attention to a certain Silicon Valley startup and its enigmatic leader, the Japanese automaker's pioneering hatchback has quietly laid claim to the title of World's Best-Selling Electric Vehicle, having racked up nearly 300,000 sales globally since 2010. Then again, Nissan had a bit of a head start -- its mass-market EV has been on sale for 7 years.

Perhaps because modern electric cars are still a relatively recent invention and they've matured so quickly, we've unwittingly conditioned ourselves to think that every new model that comes down the pike needs to overtake the current leader's metrics -- if not be branded as outright technological moonshot. We rarely make such arguments about gas-powered cars, and if Nissan's Leaf successor is anything to go by, the EV market is showing signs of maturing. In other words, that always-a-revolution mindset may need reconsidering.

To that end, Nissan hasn't cranked up its new Leaf's range to class-leading status -- at least not initially -- preferring to keep pricing accessible. The new car's 40-kWh lithium ion battery pack musters 150 miles per charge -- a still-massive improvement over the high-end 30-kWh Leaf's 107 miles. Nissan says the new pack is the same size as the old one, but a 67% improvement in energy density gets the credit for the new car's longer range.

Charging time on a 6-kW unit is about 8 hours, and an 80% charge takes just 40 minutes if you're using fast charging. If you're stuck on a basic 3-kW setup, expect to wait 16 hours. A Level 2 cord will come standard on the range-topping SL model, and is optional on S and SV trims.

For those seeking an even longer-range EV, a second Leaf model, likely dubbed e+, is coming soon with a 60-kWh battery, giving it a range of "at least 225 miles." That figure will pit it squarely against the class-leading Chevrolet Bolt EV (238 miles) as well as the base Tesla Model 3 (220 miles). Company officials won't pin down when the Leaf e+ will arrive, other than to say it'll wear a 2019 model year designation. That could mean the model will hit later in 2018, which might make it worth waiting for.

This new Leaf is rated at 147 horsepower and 236 pound-feet of torque -- a significant increase over its predecessor's 107/187 output. Having briefly driven the new Leaf in early June ahead of its reveal in at Nissan's Tochigi Proving Grounds, I can tell you firsthand that this newfound influx of power is most readily felt in the Leaf's midrange, and should be a boon when it comes to freeway passing. As is the case with nearly all EVs, off-the-line 0-30 mph acceleration remains a strong suit, with the Leaf's now-fuller peak torque arriving immediately, from 0 rpm.

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Wow this car looks amazing. There will be another version with even more range. This is actually gonna be affordable for a lot of people with a starting price below 30K before even counting incentives. Love the tech and the flat steering wheel.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

These ads on mmo-c are getting out of hand.

[Independent voter]

Looks like they ripped off the Chevy Bolt, another electric car.

[Aitch]

Looks like they ripped off the Chevy Bolt, another electric car.

Because the Chevy bolt invented the hatchback and five spoke rims?

[Sky High]

Ew, ugly ass hybrids. /pass

[Vizardlorde]

hatchbacks r ugly as hell

[Sonicburn]

Why are all the EVs so ugly? I do plan on going electric in the future, but Tesla is currently the only manufacturer with an EV that doesn't look like grannies daily driver.

[Flatspriest]

When they can make an electric car that can go 400 miles on a single charge, and then take no more than 5 minutes to fully re(fuel)charge, then I might think about it. They would also need to put EC plugins at a great many more places than they are currently. Also, the cost of replacing a single battery in them is outrageously high compared to regular cars.

[Deleted]

150 miles per charge is pathetic. You can basically use it to drive to the supermarket and back. Oh, and that 150 miles per charge, it's only 150 if you drive slow and there's absolutely no traffic whatsoever. So, if you're looking at a commute of 50 miles or more one way, might want to think about something other than this "thing".

Also, buttfugly design.

[McFuu]

This is better, sporty and efficient.

[Tennis]

150 miles per charge is pathetic. You can basically use it to drive to the supermarket and back. Oh, and that 150 miles per charge, it's only 150 if you drive slow and there's absolutely no traffic whatsoever. So, if you're looking at a commute of 50 miles or more one way, might want to think about something other than this "thing".

Also, buttfugly design.

Wait. It is 150 miles for you to drive to the supermarket in Finland? That's rough. Over here it's usually within a couple of miles.

Plus you're wrong. They said it will be 200 miles but more realistically closer to 150-160 miles.

[cubby]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...-leaf/preview/





Wow this car looks amazing. There will be another version with even more range. This is actually gonna be affordable for a lot of people with a starting price below 30K before even counting incentives. Love the tech and the flat steering wheel.

Great looking car. Interesting view on the future of fossil fuel vehicles.

[StayTuned]

Ugly as hell and probably more like 80 to 100 km range in a real world scenario.

Again to me a failure in all aspects except the price maybe. Whatever could be a half decent inner city only car

[reemi]

No, because EV models are ugly and too expensive.

[Rennadrel]

Because the Chevy bolt invented the hatchback and five spoke rims?

The Bolt is a CUV, not a hatchback sedan

[Aitch]

The Bolt is a CUV, not a hatchback sedan

Umm.. Thanks for the knowledge?

[Altrec]

No thanks. Doesn't work for my needs, and looks like trash.

[StayTuned]

Wait. It is 150 miles for you to drive to the supermarket in Finland? That's rough. Over here it's usually within a couple of miles.

Plus you're wrong. They said it will be 200 miles but more realistically closer to 150-160 miles.

You have no fucking clue how this game works. My car and any other modern mid range car is advertised as 5 l/100km. Realistically though it's more like 9-12 l/100km.

Or fucking 25 liters if I floor it.

They say its 200 miles so you can be sure that this is a range at extremely good conditions, no wind and no stop and go. So in a real world scenario it's more like 50 miles, which is garbage for anything else but grocery shopping.

[BuckSparkles]

Ugly electric car.

[Mistame]

Another ugly, plastic death trap.