Should Linda Wenzel face execution in Iraq for joining ISIS?

[ravenswood]

Interestingly enough, after reading the articles, i can't find anything that suggests she did anything wrong, but joining ISIS. That MMO-C is overwhelmingly supporting her execution is troubling. Should we put all the people who voted for Obama and Trump on death row, as well? No? Then don't put her on death row, either.

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

[Calfredd]

I thought it before I checked his post history. The poster I referenced, kidkilla, beyond being the magical imp who gave me my sig, made a lot of similar posts. And when I frequented a forum with most users from SE Europe and parts of the Middle East, you'd see the same type of arguments from time to time. I'd reckon their points made on websites somewhere, or in shahid videos and their comments on youtube.

I do remember being in that thread by kidkilla. Boy what a thread that was; one of the few permabans I've ever seen.

[Deleted]

No one can claim that they "didn't know" what ISIS or any other islamists are doing. Whoever joined their ranks are inherently evil people who joined with the specific intention of doing evil things, or supporting other people doing evil things.

Would you be okay with an American woman being whipped for driving a car in Saudi Arabia? Same freaking difference, folks.

Why am I not a bit surprised that you of all people claim there's no difference between joining a band of bloodthirsty murderers, and breaking idiotic laws based entirely on primitive superstition?

Oh, so now we're in favor of harming people for their ideologies/political affiliations, eh?

If she's done something, she should be prosecuted for that. If she's being prosecuted because she's "joined an organization responsible for x," I don't want to hear any more fuckwits crying their crocodile tears about Nazis getting punched.

And same applies to you. If we talk about real, historical Nazis, there's actually quite a difference between some random SS member and ISIS supporter.

First of all, most of who joined Nazis genuinely did not know the full extent of what was going on. Neither did the idiots who migrated to USSR to build Communism; most of them never came back alive. That can't be said about ISIS or other islamists; their evil has been well known for years. Secondly, what are you going to do when your country is already at war with someone like Stalin, who was already known to be at least as bad -- or from your point of view, much worse than Hitler? For WW2 Germans living in peace was not even an option. Either you joined the fight or got shot as a traitor. But ISIS sympathizers had the option to live in peace in their homelands. Instead they voluntarily chose to travel thousands of kilometers into a war zone to join terrorists.

Summa summarum: ISIS fanboys and -girls are literally worse than Nazis.

Of course, nowdays no one can claim that they don't know what socialism or national socialism are all about. Therefore supporters of both would deserve to be punched.

[Post]

I'm not opposed to it, if she joined ISIS she deserves whatever comes her way.

[Theinquisition]

Do the crime do the time.

Don't wanna be executed for being a terrorist, don't be a terrorist. Too easy right?

[WskyDK]

"Arrested by Iraqi forces, she was part of a group of 20 female Isis supporters from Russia, Turkey, Canada, Libya and Syria who had barricaded themselves with guns and explosives in a tunnel underneath the ruins of Mosul’s old city."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...inda-wenzel-16

Doesn't sounds like someone who made a mistake.

[Calfredd]

If you are aiding a bank robber as a getaway driver or something, and they kill someone, you get charged with accessory to murder, that generally carries the same penalty as if you killed them yourself. She is aiding them, and they are killing people.

The Queen is helping murder people?

[Fonduset]

And good riddence!

[Schattenlied]

The Queen is helping murder people?

That's what you get for posting a wee bit tipsy and very tired, kids. Don't pull a me.

I'll just go ahead and delete that.

[Calfredd]

That's what you get for posting a wee bit tipsy and very tired, kids. Don't pull a me.

I'll just go ahead and delete that.

Was just a tad confused is all, no worries.

[Stelio Kontos]

Odd that @Bobblo has suddenly gone quiet now. He had so much to say about how everyone else is just as bad or worse than ISIS.

[d00mGuArD]

The picture alone, shows how great fun she must have had there

[Deleted]

It was my understanding she was groomed and left to join a guy she met online, rather than to explicitly join ISIS. Anyway, I don't believe in the death penalty. She should be prosecuted for crimes she committed, being affiliated with a terrorist organisation would be enough for investigation and maybe arrest, but is there an actual criminal charge for that?

[WskyDK]

It was my understanding she was groomed and left to join a guy she met online, rather than to explicitly join ISIS. Anyway, I don't believe in the death penalty. She should be prosecuted for crimes she committed, being affiliated with a terrorist organisation would be enough for investigation and maybe arrest, but is there an actual criminal charge for that?

Clearly in Iraq there is.

Again, she was captured while barricaded in a tunnel filled with explosives and weapons.
This is not someone who made a singular mistake, she cast her lot with them.

[Deleted]

Clearly in Iraq there is.

I meant in Germany, obviously there is in Iraq. But I don't really consider that place a paragon of lawful authority.

[Deleted]

Odd that @Bobblo has suddenly gone quiet now. He had so much to say about how everyone else is just as bad or worse than ISIS.

Probably executed for his failure.

[Post]

I meant in Germany, obviously there is in Iraq. But I don't really consider that place a paragon of lawful authority.

If it's a crime to throw up a nazi salute, it should definitely be a crime to actually join ISIS...

[Revi]

It's the Iraqi people she went to help murder, Iraq gets to decide what her punishment is.

Don't go wage war on foreign soil, kids.

[Deleted]

Germany should make an effort to uphold extradition because that's what a country is supposed to do for its citizens, no matter how monstrous. It is probably not particularly hard for the German diplomats involved to make sure she faces life in prison instead. I honestly cannot harness any empathy for her but I am opposed to the death penalty so I'd rather noone was lawfully killed by their government.

That seems to be the outcome that German diplomats anticipate.

[Raelbo]

She's still a child (and certainly was at the time she was groomed and enticed to go to Iraq)

The appropriate course of action is to try and rehabilitate her, preferably back in Germany, because it would have much higher chance of success back home.