Neo-Nazi rally in Sweden sees dozens arrested

[Ahovv]

You have to stay calm to make a meaningful conversation. You make a good question about "where to set the legal limit" of free speech. I'm pointing out that such limits are always forced by the government in hit/miss/whims scenarios and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. That's the way it is. We're living under control of governments that take our money by force using something called "income tax". And we're "OK" with it because we have elections. Well the same government we elected deemed some hate speech rally too offensive. Why make a fuzz about hate speech rallies when we're alright with them taking our money and spending it however they want? The government allowed some speech and banned another ... they never asked me. They also never asked me if I'm alright with them taking my money. I'd be more mad about the latter than mad about banning hate speech.

My point is that anyone protesting the legality of neo-Nazis (be it for organizing or otherwise expressing their ideas) is a massive fucking hypocrite if they don't also protest our drone strikes. Democrats as a whole supported Obama's drone strikes, so I doubt it.

Anyone who thinks it should be legal to say "We should continue the drone strikes" has absolutely no reason to ban neo-Nazis. Neo-Nazis aren't even 1% the issue that our foreign policy is. One actually involves murder.

This whole "Nazi" thing is just a big public issue right now because people want to associate them with Trump. It's not about real philosophical reasons.

[Deathknightish]

I am oftentimes walking alone through parts of Gothenburg, alone, in the middle of the night with no one else around. I have yet to have something happening to me.

I'm sure walking through Avenyn, Linné, Vasa, Majorna or Masthugget is fine and dandy at night, which it is as I live in one of those areas.

Now... try to walk through Kanaltorget or Nordstan at night without feeling the slightest discomfort or looking over your shoulder from time to time. If you say "it's all fine, I never felt as safe as I did there" I know you're tryiing to keep up appearances that everything is fine here. There's drug sellers everywhere and suspicious looking people who look for easy prey to rob.

Anyways, back to topic. I was there during the demonstration and well... AFA/NF/SU and all those groups are like they always are, finding excuses to throw rocks and stuff at the police. It was beautiful seeing regular citizens lash back at them though for being complete idiots.

[Aggrophobic]

I've been to Malmö, it's a sad state of affairs nowadays. In the past you didn't have to worry about going there, going there today you do so with your life as the stake.

That is pure bullshit and you know it.

[kasuke06]

afaik, the nazis tried to deviate from their assigned route, the police pushed back and their demonstration got cut short, and in turn the AFA folks started to attack the police and the nearby crowd instead.

Wait what? the "oh they only ever react, never instigate!" antifa who can do no wrong, just came to start fights!? Oh wait, that's what happens every time they show up.

[Deathknightish]

Wait what? the "oh they only ever react, never instigate!" antifa who can do no wrong, just came to start fights!? Oh wait, that's what happens every time they show up.

Difference is that in Europe, AFA does not consist of cellardwelling neckbeards who have arms as wide as a tooth-pick. They are much, much more dangerous here than they are over the pond. They have actually killed people here.
But yes, they share the trait to instigate violence and are often the first ones to strike.

[Rageadon]

Wasn't Sweden supposed to be one of the bright spots in Europe? What happened..

Alot have happend there, this is what a PC country will look like aka stupidity, the only reason the neo nazi have some followers is cuz you get called a racist if you want some restrictions when it comes to immigration and the rest of the road is very short... just look at norway, we had maby 20-40 neo nazi from the same group in sweden, thats not many people, but thanks to the media it got blown up. But then again we havent ended up like sweden and we wont cuz we can see how bad it is.

[Strawberry]

I hope you're being facetious and satirical here...because otherwise this part, "the 2nd largest party is a neo nazi party", is propably the dumbest shit I read on these forums for a goood long while (and that's quite a feat, to be sure). I mean, one would obviously take it as pure irony, but on these forums? Nothing is too stupid it seems, for someone to actually say/mean it.

Moderaterna is a neo nazi party? What drugs are you on?

https://www.svd.se/ny-svd-sifo-rodgr...nte-straffat-s

Dated 2 weeks ago.

S 29,7
SD (the nazis) 17,8
M 17,2

Please people, get your fucking facts straight before you spread misleading information on forums.

[Player Twelve]

https://www.svd.se/ny-svd-sifo-rodgr...nte-straffat-s

Dated 2 weeks ago.

S 29,7
SD (the nazis) 17,8
M 17,2

SD aren't nazis either, again, what drugs are you on?

[Strawberry]

SD aren't nazis either, again, what drugs are you on?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats

Sweden Democrats or Swedish Democrats (Swedish: Sverigedemokraterna, SD) is a nationalist political party in Sweden that was founded in 1988.[11] The party describes itself as social conservative with a nationalist foundation,[1][3] however the party has been described as far-right,[12] right-wing populist,[4][13] national-conservative,[14] and anti-immigration.[15] The party had its roots in Swedish fascism[16] and was a part of the white supremacy movement in the late-1980s;[17] initially, it was characterized by right-wing extremism and activism.

Just because it's being sugarcoated as nationalist doesn't hide the fact that they are grounded on right wing extremists and most people who vote for it are swedish white supremacists.
Also the leader of SD was caught singing racist songs.

Again, stop spreading misinformation and don't fucking quote me again with your shit or you will have your ass ignored.

I'm done quoting facts to people who voice their opinion as a fact. While it's just that, their motherfucking opinion.

[Deathknightish]

https://www.svd.se/ny-svd-sifo-rodgr...nte-straffat-s

Dated 2 weeks ago.

S 29,7
SD (the nazis) 17,8
M 17,2

Please people, get your fucking facts straight before you spread misleading information on forums.

That's even one of the polls with the worst track records when it comes to SD. Yougov and Sentio, who have been much more accurate for the last 2 elections, put them at around 25%.

But SD aren't nazis. SD is a social conservative party. Everyone is welcome to Sweden as long as you accept Swedish values and don't want to built a separate society. Doesn't matter if you are white, brown, red, yellow or blue. They do want to slow down our immigration (slow down, not stop), but that's hardly racist.

NMR considers SD just as traitorous as the rest of sjuklövern and wish nothing more than to hang Jimpa on the gallows.
All the hardcore nazis have jumped ship from SD to NMR and such affiliates.

[Player Twelve]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats



Just because it's being sugarcoated as nationalist doesn't hide the fact that they are grounded on right wing extremists and most people who vote for it are swedish white supremacists.
Also the leader of SD was caught singing racist songs.

Again, stop spreading misinformation and don't fucking quote me again with your shit or you will have your ass ignored.

I'm done quoting facts to people who voice their opinion as a fact. While it's just that, their motherfucking opinion.

Nationalist =/= Nazi. You're not quoting facts, you are being hysterical about their past. If you're not willing to call the social democrats nazis for actually practicising nazi-like ideas like eugenics that included forcefully sterilizing people deemed unwanted or if you're unwilling to say that the left party are communists due to their history then you can't call the sweden democrats nazi either.

[Strawberry]

That's even one of the polls with the worst track records when it comes to SD. Yougov and Sentio, who have been much more accurate for the last 2 elections, put them at around 25%.

But SD aren't nazis. SD is a social conservative party. Everyone is welcome to Sweden as long as you accept Swedish values and don't want to built a separate society. Doesn't matter if you are white, brown, red, yellow or blue. They do want to slow down our immigration (slow down, not stop), but that's hardly racist.

NMR considers SD just as traitorous as the rest of sjuklövern and wish nothing more than to hang Jimpa on the gallows.
All the hardcore nazis have jumped ship from SD to NMR and such affiliates.

Of course they are nazis. They are built on white supremacy. The reason why they are not considered a nazi party NOW (by those who forget the past) is because they sugarcoat the whole thing to get as many votes as possible. They try to stay away from being branded as nazi because they know it doesn't give them voters, but total opposite, it just makes them hard to do anything even if they get voters. Typical government misleading and lying to people.
The fact is, in the core, they are still nazis.

[zealo]

Wait what? the "oh they only ever react, never instigate!" antifa who can do no wrong, just came to start fights!? Oh wait, that's what happens every time they show up.

Whatever the American AFA is, the Swedish version has been violent thugs for a long time. Beyond this recent weekend, they're responsible for "niceties" such as assault and arson, among else.

[Player Twelve]

Wait what? the "oh they only ever react, never instigate!" antifa who can do no wrong, just came to start fights!? Oh wait, that's what happens every time they show up.

AFA has never been the good guys in Sweden, they actively want to overthrow the government, the groups have stated so themselves, to introduce a socialist state.

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Whatever the American AFA is, the Swedish version has been violent thugs for a long time. Beyond this recent weekend, they're responsible for "niceties" such as assault and arson, among else.

Anti-fascism is always self-defense! Even when you actively seek people out to start fights, even when you stab people in the back and get convicted for attempted murder it's still self-defense!

[Deleted]

An immigrant invasion happened.

Far right has been active in Sweden since end of ww2

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AFA has never been the good guys in Sweden, they actively want to overthrow the government, the groups have stated so themselves, to introduce a socialist state.

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Anti-fascism is always self-defense! Even when you actively seek people out to start fights, even when you stab people in the back and get convicted for attempted murder it's still self-defense!

Good job sympathasing with Nazis.

Keep up the good work they are the best people, the best.

[Player Twelve]

Good job sympathasing with Nazis.

Keep up the good work they are the best people, the best.

I'm not sympathizing with nazis just because I think AFA groups are scum. AFA considers me an enemy too because I don't support their idea of a socialist state.

[Deleted]

I'm not sympathizing with nazis just because I think AFA groups are scum. AFA considers me an enemy too because I don't support their idea of a socialist state.

Yes you are and no they don't.

[Player Twelve]

Yes you are and no they don't.

Nope, and yes they do. Do you even know who they are against? They consider liberals fascist because they're supposedly against the worker class. Do you even know anything about AFA in Sweden? Liberals are pretty far away from fascism. AFA attacks members of the moderate party, they attack liberals, they attack nazis. All are fascists in their eyes.

http://www.dt.se/opinion/ledare/bra-...-valdsvanstern

Google translate:

When the glass splash from the window rains over the sleeping seven-year-old.

When her grandmother wakes up because she can not get air due to tear gas.

When families in a multi-family house hear how one of the neighbors' apartments is completely broken and broken.

When a young liberal and anti-fascist gets attacked on the open street because of his political views.

When a young moderate politician becomes threatened to life because of his commitment.

When a dad and his son are chased through the streets of a large group of men, then be slaughtered, kicked off, beaten by a chair that occupied.

Then it is extremely clear that a bunch of academics from Södertörn University and Gothenburg University in a debate article in Dagens Nyheter argues that the autonomous left, which all the people I previously claimed had fallen victim to, have an ideology that is characterized by demands for more democracy and better conditions for, for example, immigrants, women and HBTQ people.

And because their purposes, with enhanced rights and in-depth democracy (in their own interpretation) are good, they should not be seen as a potential extremist threat, according to the researchers behind the article.

Say it to someone who, for life, gets kicked down because of his political sympathies, or gets his house vandalized, or get an ax in the door!

At the very least there is a serious discussion that in the fight against market economy and anti-fascism, all means of excuse, even the naked violence, can be said to be shameful.

In a screwed argument, the violent enemy's nightly attacks, called "home visits", are referred to as "self-defense". It's easy to keep up with the policeman who, in Mission Review, declares that self-defense is something that should happen immediately after being attacked and that the concept falls legally and morally when the victims are sleeping grandmothers.

There are more serious overthrows - a number of senior representatives in an aspiring government party youth federation, that is, Young Left, has thus gone into a debate article and openly defended the violence activities of the Revolutionary Front and AFA.

There is no good, democratic or apologetic act of violence, as depicted in Wednesday's Mission Review.

Therefore, it is good that Jonas Sjöstedt and Young Left's press secretary, Tove Liljeholm, are unequivocal with their rejection.

DT welcomes the fact that leftist debaters and representatives in Dalarna, like Göran Greider and Leif Lindström, are unequivocal that violence is never an acceptable political method.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifascistisk_Aktion

Antifascistisk Aktion (AFA) was founded in Sweden in 1993. AFA is a part of the "autonomous" (autonoma in Swedish, from autonomist marxism) subculture, which revolves around many forms of leftist activism like antifascism, environmentalism and animal rights activism. This subculture includes people of many different ideologies, but the ideologies of the movement is always some form of radical leftism.[7] In staunch contrast to the American Antifa,[8] is Swedish AFA not open for more moderate forms of leftism, and there is even occasions where relative moderates have been assaulted by them.[9]

Sure fighting that fascism.

[Sama-81]

https://www.svd.se/ny-svd-sifo-rodgr...nte-straffat-s

Dated 2 weeks ago.

S 29,7
SD (the nazis) 17,8
M 17,2

Please people, get your fucking facts straight before you spread misleading information on forums.

I most certainly know that SD is bigger than the Moderates in the current polls. In fact, if you look at the one that was by far the best at predicting the result of the 2014 election, and not the shit one you posted, the current opinion is as follows:

S - 25.3%; M - 17.0%; SD - 23.4%

No, I was more laughing at the fact that you denote SD as "the nazis" - which obviously is so moronic that it's worthy of a medal of some sort. As we say around here, it's so dumb that the clocks stop.

[Blade Wolf]

I most certainly know that SD is bigger than the Moderates in the current polls. In fact, if you look at the one that was by far the best at predicting the result of the 2014 election, and not the shit one you posted, the current opinion is as follows:

S - 25.3%; M - 17.0%; SD - 23.4%

No, I was more laughing at the fact that you denote SD as "the nazis" - which obviously is so moronic that it's worthy of a medal of some sort. As we say around here, it's so dumb that the clocks stop.

Some of the members from the rally are actual SD members.