Trump Administration Set to Roll Back Birth Control Mandate (edit: Just did)

[rogueMatthias]

Does a doctor prescribe it? They do? Then that should be the end of it. But apparently some folks god objects to some medications.

I'm all for free birth control, we get it free on the NHS in the UK even, it's just within an "insurance" context I'm trying to work out how it makes sense. Effectively they're making a continual payout for you for something which is, dare i say it, a life choice. Why shouldn't guys get free condoms from their insurance too then? I don't really see a difference there. (If anything, condoms would be lowering chance of STDs at the same time).

[Felya]

I don't get this at all. How can people argue that your employer should dictate how you spend your hard earned insurance? Do your peoples jobs seriously that meaningless, that you don't care if your employer chooses that what you do with your earning is against their morals?

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I'm all for free birth control, we get it free on the NHS in the UK even, it's just within an "insurance" context I'm trying to work out how it makes sense. Effectively they're making a continual payout for you for something which is, dare i say it, a life choice. Why shouldn't guys get free condoms from their insurance too then? I don't really see a difference there. (If anything, condoms would be lowering chance of STDs at the same time).

Women cannot really control what you do with a comdom. Birth control, lets women control what they want to do with their bodies, without the only solution being to rely on the man.

[Kujako]

I'm all for free birth control, we get it free on the NHS in the UK even, it's just within an "insurance" context I'm trying to work out how it makes sense. Effectively they're making a continual payout for you for something which is, dare i say it, a life choice. Why shouldn't guys get free condoms from their insurance too then? I don't really see a difference there. (If anything, condoms would be lowering chance of STDs at the same time).

Does a Doctor prescribe it? Should insurance cover prescriptions?

[Felya]

Does a Doctor prescribe it? Should insurance cover prescriptions?

The insurance is your earning from work. Why are we even arguing that employers should have a say in how you spend it? This is bizarre...

[Mormolyce]

I'm all for free birth control, we get it free on the NHS in the UK even, it's just within an "insurance" context I'm trying to work out how it makes sense. Effectively they're making a continual payout for you for something which is, dare i say it, a life choice. Why shouldn't guys get free condoms from their insurance too then? I don't really see a difference there. (If anything, condoms would be lowering chance of STDs at the same time).

Wouldn't be a bad idea...

[Deleted]

Possibly not, but that was a response to a suggestion that we put birth control into an expanded version of Medicare. Under that scenario, yes, the argument would have already been avoided or resolved.

No, it wouldn't be because then it would be that tax payer money shouldn't go to elective stuff.

Again, sure, that'd be fine if it had any chance of ever happening

Or and this is out there i know - people pay for their own elective shit?

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Yes, because there would be no misconception between you spending your earned insurance, at the will of your employer. You would get coverage through government, where what you choose to do with your healthcare, is not infringing on your employers religious or moral issues. It explicitly avoids this exact argument...

Yeah because there are no arguments where tax money goes.

Instead, you preferring ceding this power to employers?

You are free to choose to get your own healtcare instead of the one supplied by your employer, in any case, not an american.

If the death penalty can exist, then universal coverage including birth control, shouldn't be that much of an issue. Right?

Im against the death penalty.

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Women cannot really control what you do with a comdom.

Women don't have the power over consent in america?
TIL
/sarcasm.

Birth control, lets women control what they want to do with their bodies,

Why isn't cosmetic surgery covered?

[LaserSharkDFB]

No, it wouldn't be because then it would be that tax payer money shouldn't go to elective stuff.

Again, you're not paying attention to the original hypothetical, but I guess it doesn't matter.

Or and this is out there i know - people pay for their own elective shit?

Like Viagra.

Anyway, in case you aren't aware, employees do pay for their medicine, both by paying into the insurance itself and their (reduced) amount for the medicine. The problem we have is that people are going to extraordinary lengths to make up imaginary requirements so they can exclude birth control, even for those people who need it for non-contraceptive reasons.

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Like Viagra.

I know it's a compelling comparison, but erectile dysfunction is medical issue, it's something that's not working as it should work.
Birth control is to regulate something that does work so it doesn't, that's elective.

[LaserSharkDFB]

I know it's a compelling comparison, but erectile dysfunction is medical issue, it's something that's not working as it should work.
Birth control is to regulate something that does work so it doesn't, that's elective.

Immunosuppresants, then. Rejecting foreign matter is a natural function of the body, but transplants generally require medicine to keep that from happening. Also one could argue that erectile dysfunction is the normal state of the male body as it gets older.

Apart from its uses to regulate a natural process that isn't working normally - which you did not address - birth control is also used to prevent an unwanted medical condition that could last for months and endanger the woman's life. It's a preventative measure that costs far less - both to the woman and to society as a whole - than an end product that might not be able to receive sufficient care by the parent.

[Glorious Leader]

I know it's a compelling comparison, but erectile dysfunction is medical issue, it's something that's not working as it should work.
Birth control is to regulate something that does work so it doesn't, that's elective.

Birth control is just as important for reproductive health as Viagra. The distinction you are trying to make here is petty to say the least.

[-aiko-]

So is the Trump Administration's strategy to do random, stupid crap to pander to the core base and distract them from the fact that they have been useless?