Executive order to gut the ACA possibly incoming?

[Deleted]

What about them? See my updated link - https://www.state.gov/ofm/dmv/insurance/

Federal requirements for car insurance including minimum standards. Do Virginia and New Hampshire have opt-out programs or something?

Go find out for yourself.

[Milchshake]

Anyways all this goes to show. Losing elections has consequences. Or electing the anti-government party has consequences. So stripping away $7 billion a year, that will end up costing about $20 billion a year in other services to help fewer people.

[Zan15]

Illegal?

BTW - yea, much rather have to money spent on the military.

So then you want the govt to also end Medicare and the VA right?

How do you feel about social security?

oh and how about tax subsidies for the 190 million people who get insurance through work. time to abolish them too right?

and the tax write offs for the self employed, that's prob another 20 million.

So let me ask you where do you get your insurance from???

[Edge-]

Go find out for yourself.

Just checked and Virginia mandates it, though with lower state standards than the federal government requires, and New Hampshire requires people to cover all damages if they don't have insurance.

But I just linked the federal rules, and we're talking about the federal level right now. So again...

Federally mandated insurance for all with minimum coverage requirements, under penalty of fine for failure to carry? So...exactly like the ACA?

[Gray_Matter]

Nobody is taking any "healthcare" away. Trump is taking illegal "health insurance" subsidies away. Excellent.

Why is it that people conflate "health care" with health insurance?

For some people, health subsidies for their insurance determines whether they can get insurance or not.

Make no bones about it. This EO will result in people dying and also a number of families going bankrupt.

[Hobb]

Lame comeback, but you better tell that to Virginia and New Hampshire.

Not really an op out there. Because if you're not carrying insurance you then have to pay the state fee allowing you to drive.

Basically it allows insurance companies to collect from the state for an uninsured motorist claim and the state to cover that cost.

[Deleted]

So then you want the govt to also end Medicare and the VA right?

How do you feel about social security?

oh and how about tax subsidies for the 190 million people who get insurance through work. time to abolish them too right?

and the tax write offs for the self employed, that's prob another 20 million.

Broken record? Love how you are trying to put words in my mouth and assume my positions. Always find it funny that you say one thing and all you get back is "so, what you are saying is" - when you never said anything even remotely like it.

You are bringing up issues that have NOTHING to do with health insurance or the ACA.

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For some people, health subsidies for their insurance determines whether they can get insurance or not.

Make no bones about it. This EO will result in people dying and also a number of families going bankrupt.

Oh well, guess they should not have voted for Obama, he is the cause of this, not Trump.

[Sky High]

For some people, health subsidies for their insurance determines whether they can get insurance or not.

Make no bones about it. This EO will result in people dying and also a number of families going bankrupt.

Why is it that people conflate "health care" with health insurance? It is the same thing with conflating illegal aliens with immigrants. It is as laughable as it is tragic.

this is what we're dealing with.

[Edge-]

Oh well, guess they should not have voted for Obama, he is the cause of this, not Trump.

Quite literally, that's not true at all. You're literally making shit up and it's both hilarious and depressing.

[Deleted]

Just checked and Virginia mandates it, though with lower state standards than the federal government requires, and New Hampshire requires people to cover all damages if they don't have insurance.

But I just linked the federal rules, and we're talking about the federal level right now. So again...

Federally mandated insurance for all with minimum coverage requirements, under penalty of fine for failure to carry? So...exactly like the ACA?

LOL - try as you might.... I meant that the marketplace should be handled the same way. You know what I meant, you just want to put your slant on it and be pedantic. LOL, love you Edge.

[Zan15]

Just checked and Virginia mandates it, though with lower state standards than the federal government requires, and New Hampshire requires people to cover all damages if they don't have insurance.

But I just linked the federal rules, and we're talking about the federal level right now. So again...

Federally mandated insurance for all with minimum coverage requirements, under penalty of fine for failure to carry? So...exactly like the ACA?

yup just like medicare.

you can't be against the ACA and still support medicare.

so where is trump on medicare's forced participation.

at least the ACA you can get your insurance before 65.....

[Edge-]

LOL - try as you might.... I meant that the marketplace should be handled the same way. You know what I meant, you just want to put your slant on it and be pedantic. LOL, love you Edge.

The market was handled the same way pre-ACA - and it led to lifetime/annual limits, people being turned away for pre-existing conditions like acne and pregnancy, denied treatments and medication, being dropped because you get sick, and all kinds of other lovely things that people don't want to return and now expect as part of the basline offering in health insurance.

And it wasn't fucking working. Hence why the ACA enjoys support from a majority of US citizens nowadays, and why folks were so angry at the attempts by the GOP legislature to completely gut the law.

Meanwhile, Republicans have had 8 years and they still don't have the faintest idea on how to improve the ACA in a way that people like and that will meaningfully improve access to and the quality of health insurance/care, much less do so while reducing costs.

Maybe they should have put some though into it? Maybe Trump should have hired some people to work on it during the general election so he'd have a plan to present right out of the gate instead of standing by the sidelines and joining in for the Rose Garden beer celebration when the House passed their "mean" (Trump's words) version of the bill and the Senate imploded as Trump sent the secretaries of departments to threaten Senators that control the funding for those very departments.

[Breccia]

The CBO already estimated the effects of cutting the subsidies:

Not a huge surprise. And now, it is no longer the ACA that will fail. It will be TrumpCare that will fail. And he can't blame this on anyone, because the spike in premiums was originally due to the chance he'd do this...and now, the fact that he has.

Cutting Medicaid wasn't enough. Cutting Medicare -- yes, he's doing that -- isn't enough. Now he's going after the people who literally pay for insurance, and making it harder for them to do it. That, combined with his E.O. to let people buy shitty plans that don't cover everything, but take them out of the general marketplace thereby raising prices on everyone else, makes this 100% his problem.

It will be TrumpCare that fails. There is no other logical way of explaining the situation.

[Zan15]

Broken record? Love how you are trying to put words in my mouth and assume my positions. Always find it funny that you say one thing and all you get back is "so, what you are saying is" - when you never said anything even remotely like it.

You are bringing up issues that have NOTHING to do with health insurance or the ACA.

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Oh well, guess they should not have voted for Obama, he is the cause of this, not Trump.

So then tell us your position?? Do you support Medicare? Do you support the VA? Do you support pre tax benefits of insurance plans? Do you support tax subsidies to self employed individuals health insurance?
Not hard questions and very relate able to the current ACA quagmire that you call illegal and wrong.




Wait Medicare has nothing to do with health insurance?

tax write offs for HEALTH INSURANCE for self employed has nothing to do with health insurance?

pre tax allowances on HEALTH INSURANCE payments have nothing to do with health insurance?

forced participation in Medicare has no relation to forced participation in ACA?

[Caolela]

From YOUR POV.

I look a it from an objective POV. McCain hates Trump and his vote was personal - nothing to do with what America actually wants, just his personal hatred for Trump. Same thing with Collins.

Trump did not fail in any way. Congress failed, period. The same senators that ran on "repeal and replace" did just the opposite - not Trump's fault in any way.

Sure, let's be objective. Polls showed that throughout the summer on all 3 attempts to gut the current HC system, majority public opinion was against it. Why? Because it was so reactionary and regressive. It was too extreme right for some on the far right - and that's saying something.

Even on their last attempt before the end of the fiscal year of Sept. 30 they couldn't sneak it or ram it through with a simple majority of +1 vote. Those in Congress who were against it did not want to face the people back home that would have suffered greatly, and many would have actually died, had "Trumpcare" been passed.

It was a failure for Trump because his name was on it from the git and he never let people forget it. It was a failure for the right-wing in Congress because they pushed it as hard as they could, using every trick in the book. It's a stone that deserves to hang around all of their necks, including Trump's, for years.

Not that ACA is some great thing, it certainly has problems and is mainly a huge giveaway to the insurance industry and HC corporations. Trump's version however is barbaric and belongs to his fevered fascist dreams.

[Deleted]

Quite literally, that's not true at all. You're literally making shit up and it's both hilarious and depressing.

Bullshit - Obamacare, created by Obama and his lackeys, hailed as his "signature" legislation - he knew it couldn't sustain itself which is why he put in the Federal bailout money (Cost Sharing Reductions, lol), which Trump just removed.


The black and white of it is this - Obama created this mess. 100% on him. Too bad that Trump is taking away your lollipop, just like he did with DACA.

[Lothar from accounting]

So...mandated for everyone to carry under penalty of fine if they don't? With minimum requirements for what said car insurance covers?

https://www.state.gov/ofm/dmv/insurance/

Your link appears to be related to diplomatic vehicles?

https://usinsuranceagents.com/answer...rance-coverage
Apparently there is no direct requirement from the federal government, but the amount of money states can get for highway projects from the federal government is reduced for those states that don't have some sort of car insurance requirement.

So, to expand on Ransath's original line of thought, the federal government should be paying money to help pay for health care/insurance (not sure which is more appropriate in this scenario) to states that require people have health insurance.

[Deleted]

The market was handled the same way pre-ACA -

No it wasn't. You could not buy insurance across state lines. We are not there yet, but when that happens....

Your link appears to be related to diplomatic vehicles?

[Edge-]

Bullshit - Obamacare, created by Obama and his lackeys, hailed as his "signature" legislation - he knew it couldn't sustain itself which is why he put in the Federal bailout money (Cost Sharing Reductions, lol), which Trump just removed.

Still making shit up. Let me know when you have an ounce of proof to back up your fantasies and feels.

Meanwhile, it's Trump's signature that just gutted the subsidies. I don't think I saw Obama's name anywhere on that Executive Order.

[Xeones]

I wonder if he is dumb enough to think that destroying healthcare for everyone will make people happy?

Or maybe he thinks he can lie and more than his 1/3 will believe he wasn't responsible?