Executive order to gut the ACA possibly incoming?

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That was his choice.

Ya, his choice to follow the actual law.

Oh well, time for congress to do their job....or not. Maybe the LEGISLATIVE branch can do what they are required to do.

[Felya]

What Rancid clearly ignores is that the ACA is designed, at its core, to use subsidies to offset costs. You can't pull the funding that makes a law functional and then claim the law failed of its own accord. That logic only words on the ignorant.

With a change to the dynamic of the law and refusing to uphold the rule of law by enforcing the ACA, this is now Trumpcare through the exact means Republicans decried as illegal with DACA.

If he is using logic that works on the ignorant, how is he helping Trump? This is a Hillarybot... real Trump supporters are helping Trump come up with the best solution to ACA. Yet, the Hillarybot is afraid Trump will get credit, so keeps crediting Obama.

[Edge-]

Ya, his choice to follow the actual law.

Oh well, time for congress to do their job....or not. Maybe the LEGISLATIVE branch can do what they are required to do.

Just because he says something is the law doesn't mean it actually is.

If these subsidies were illegal, why has the GOP never challenged them in court in their attempts to sink the ACA over the past nearly decade now?

I mean, surely if they had such a simple legal path to undermining the ACA (and DACA) they would have taken it years ago, no?

[Felya]

Ya, his choice to follow the actual law.

Oh well, time for congress to do their job....or not. Maybe the LEGISLATIVE branch can do what they are required to do.

See what I mean!!! He is obviously pointing out that ACA came out of the legislative branch, to make Trump look bad for the EO. Your game is over Hillarybot! She lost, time to get over it.

[Templar 331]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1CL2EZ

U.S. President Donald Trump expressed optimism on Monday that Republicans and Democrats in Congress will craft a short-term fix for healthcare insurance markets

If this is true then why isn't there a Dem standing next to him in the Rose Garden? These two shit stains only care about bringing down the ACA by any means possible. Case in point.....

after he last week scrapped Obamacare subsidies to insurers.

[Rukh]

Trump is actively working to harm US citizens for what he thinks will get him political points. Trump is the enemy of US citizens.

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If these subsidies were illegal, why has the GOP never challenged them in court in their attempts to sink the ACA over the past nearly decade now?

It is always quite appalling how uneducated you are on an issue but have no problem in offering an opinion. For you to post such a statement just verifies that.

No - I am NOT going to "provide a link". Go do your own research.

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If this is true then why isn't there a Dem standing next to him in the Rose Garden? These two shit stains only care about bringing down the ACA by any means possible. Case in point.....

They are too busy running around like chickens with their heads cut off screaming "impeach45" and "Russia, Russia, Russia".

[Templar 331]

They are too busy running around like chickens with their heads cut off screaming "impeach45" and "Russia, Russia, Russia".

Yeah, I'm going to go with no to that.

Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said in a statement that he was hopeful that an agreement was near to stabilize Obamacare.

“If he’s (Trump) now supportive of an agreement that stabilizes and improves the existing system under the Affordable Care Act, we certainly welcome that change of heart,” Schumer said.

[Blur4stuff]

There's no winning scenario here for republicans. If nothing changes then all of the misery coming will be blamed on Trump and the party. If they actually did what they want to do with healthcare it would still ruin millions of lives and they'd get blamed for that too.

The only Trump supporters that will continue to ignore reality are those insulated from healthcare changes. For the rest of them no matter what propaganda is pushed by FOX, when millions of republicans see their healthcare premiums spike or lose coverage altogether, it will cause them to face the truth.

[Breccia]

There's no winning scenario here for republicans.

See, that's the thing. There's no winning scenario anymore. The E.O. from Trump sealed that. Also, Trump is claiming he won't be blamed for his own actions, and directly put the blame on GOP Congress.

There's a difference between being hit by a bus because you didn't look both ways, and being thrown under one. But, once you're under the bus, the difference is pretty moot.

[Felya]

It is always quite appalling how uneducated you are on an issue but have no problem in offering an opinion. For you to post such a statement just verifies that.

No - I am NOT going to "provide a link". Go do your own research.

Oh, you are just fitting the liberal stereotype of a Trump supporter? Sorry, Hillarybot, your game is over. REAL Trump supporters have no problem providing links. They do it all the time. The TRUTH is on Trump's side and you liberals trying to pretend they cannot even provide a link? End this bullshit Hillarybot! It's over! She lost! #MAGA

They are too busy running around like chickens with their heads cut off screaming "impeach45" and "Russia, Russia, Russia".

The first honest thing I have seen you say. I agree, Hillarybots do post "Russia, Russia, Russia" all the time. Guess who was the only one in the thread to do it? That's right... like a thief trying to leave a calling card. Busted!!

[Fugus]

LOL - no way, shape, or form is this "Trumpcare". Just because folks like you conjure shit up out of thin air - with no basis in reality - does not make it so. Kinda like the delusional narrative that Puerto Rico is "Trump's Katrina" - you people just make this shit up to somehow justify your delusions.

"Obamacare" was Barry's signature legislation. It is what he wanted for a "legacy". Trump is not the one pushing healthcare (which is bullshit on it's own, this is not about healthcare - it is about INSURANCE) as his "signature legislation" or "legacy".

The Democrats created this - they fuck it up - and it is entirely THEIR mess. To try to push this onto Trump is fucking hilarious.

But it is Trumpcare now. When they took it upon themselves to change it, for better or in this case worse, they own it from that point on.

The ACA was Obama's, but what Trump did removes that and makes it his.

The Democrats may have created it, but the republicans are the ones fucking it up making the mess the Republicans mess.

Would be like if I had a car that needs the fuel pump replaced but otherwise worked and then you came along and poured concrete down the oil and transmission fill plugs. Regardless of the fact that it didn't run perfectly, it still ran and still worked and what you did came along and broke it to unusable, making it your mess.

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But it is Trumpcare now. When they took it upon themselves to change it, for better or in this case worse, they own it from that point on.

The ACA was Obama's, but what Trump did removes that and makes it his. .

Completely false - and totally illogical.

Still Obamacare - and STILL owned completely by Obama and the Democrats.

[unfilteredJW]

Ransath making me dizzy with this spin.

It must be freeing to completely check out from reality.

[Vankrys]

LOL - no way, shape, or form is this "Trumpcare". Just because folks like you conjure shit up out of thin air - with no basis in reality - does not make it so. Kinda like the delusional narrative that Puerto Rico is "Trump's Katrina" - you people just make this shit up to somehow justify your delusions.

"Obamacare" was Barry's signature legislation. It is what he wanted for a "legacy". Trump is not the one pushing healthcare (which is bullshit on it's own, this is not about healthcare - it is about INSURANCE) as his "signature legislation" or "legacy".

The Democrats created this - they fuck it up - and it is entirely THEIR mess. To try to push this onto Trump is fucking hilarious.

Then call it Trump-revised obamacare if you will. Or obamacare - the trump version.

Seriously, sabotaging one's country healthcare, obamacare or otherwise, just to spite the democrats is a dick move.
A responsible commander-in-chief would have either wait to have a replacement plan approved by congress or support the current healthcare until a new plan is approved.

This may seem like a game to Trump, but we are talking about lives of people here, real people.

[Masark]

But it is Trumpcare now.

Nah, it's DonTCare.

[solinari6]

Completely false - and totally illogical.

Still Obamacare - and STILL owned completely by Obama and the Democrats.

How can it still be Obamacare? Trump himself said Obamacare no longer exists. Now we have something "different", and since it was Trump that gave us something "different", it can logically be called TrumpCare.

[Felya]

How can it still be Obamacare? Trump himself said Obamacare no longer exists. Now we have something "different", and since it was Trump that gave us something "different", it can logically be called TrumpCare.

Yes, but what is also logical, is knowing how you have used calling ACA, ObamaCare... so, you would in effect work to prevent such a thing. Even if logically and even thematically, it fits...

[Fugus]

Completely false - and totally illogical.

Still Obamacare - and STILL owned completely by Obama and the Democrats.

You can lie to yourself all you want, won't make it true. The moment someone functionally changes or cuts a system, he owns the consequences of it.

Obamacare ended the moment Trump changed it. Now it is the Trumpcare edition.

[Zan15]

Ya, his choice to follow the actual law.

Oh well, time for congress to do their job....or not. Maybe the LEGISLATIVE branch can do what they are required to do.

lol once again, even if congress does its job and reapplies the funding through a bill, this man will not support or sign it. He has already made that quite clear.
the legality of the funds are not the issue, its the dismantling of Obama's legacy to appease his base.

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Completely false - and totally illogical.

Still Obamacare - and STILL owned completely by Obama and the Democrats.

Trump just said obamacare is dead, so what we have now is what ever trumpcare you want to call it...he owns it 100%.

just like he owns the economy and stock market he is claiming 100% credit for.
or you saying he can pick and choose which things he is taking credit for now that he is president?

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But it is Trumpcare now. When they took it upon themselves to change it, for better or in this case worse, they own it from that point on.

The ACA was Obama's, but what Trump did removes that and makes it his.

The Democrats may have created it, but the republicans are the ones fucking it up making the mess the Republicans mess.

Would be like if I had a car that needs the fuel pump replaced but otherwise worked and then you came along and poured concrete down the oil and transmission fill plugs. Regardless of the fact that it didn't run perfectly, it still ran and still worked and what you did came along and broke it to unusable, making it your mess.

You dare bring logic into this argument with him????