No its always been crazy reasons. But like a 10.000 before. Looking at the history of "working" side by side for the same goal. Seeing how ( thanks to quests) the people talk about being tired with war etc etc War is not that likely then when you had peace for a 1000 years .
And if you look at our perspective. It just looks like a MoP 2.0 but poorly executed reason.
the Draenei dont hate the horde as the other races of the alliance do and when you invade the homeworld of the legion i'm pretty sure you'd invite everyone you can.
Vereesa says that she doesnt like working with the horde but admits to the fact that they can fight.
How many times do I have to tell you class hall quests dont represent factions since the leader of the class order AKA you can be any race
And since you like using Liadrin as an example for this then Liadrin (and the rest of the blood elves) owe Velen a debt since he renewed the sunwell
Not sure what you're trying to say. to me it sounds like your proving my point
the only Horde alliance interaction on the vindicaar is Khadgar and Aethas
these are people who recognize that fighting each other while the legion is attacking us is only going to make things worse
The horde doesnt have a chance at defeating the legion without the alliance and the alliance has no chance of defeating the legion without the horde CLASS ORDERS WERE FORMED TO FIGHT THE LEGION
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Yeah, but as I said, so far every expansion name was based on the reason we are going there/doing that. Of course I expect some serious threat to emerge, wow is not got and there's not enough politics and plots to cover whole expansion, but the name is always the major selling point and (so far) they are promoting it as that - war between factions.
Imagine Legion goes the same, but its not "Legion" but "Shadows of the Void" or something like that...
So explain why the 'class that was formed without alliance/horde' heroes are the exact same one who will fight next exp for alliance or horde and go kill each others ? Did the alliance/horde hero player who was in the class hall that was formed forget all the work done in legion?
What about why everyone who was there - including npcs - who were helping to best buddies lvl - suddenly forget and decide to attack each others? Liadrin is in debt to velen, what about literally every other hero from every other class who was also - lorewise - there ?
You also ignored the 2nd half of big FUCK LORE parts, pretty much every single 'allied' race beside Dark Iron dwarfs, why would they join a war with alliance/horde ? Highmountains/Lightforged received same help from alliance as horde, same for nightborne (or that tyrande remark made them risk their existence by joining a fighting faction instead of stay neutral like 1502 other organization ?), and how would alliance who kicked blood elves for fel addiction accept void elves who even more twisted that the fel addicts kicked them out (also alliance tried to genocide blood elves because Garithos hated anyone non-human, as his own words say), or Zandalari who are enemies to both alliance and horde since ever?
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u giving them too much credit, this will be like MoP 2.0, will end with Sylvannas head on spike, except at least in MoP we had 2 exp making us ready for faction war, this one comes out from expansion that was best friends, even more sh8t on lore
At least gameplay MoP was great, unlike WoD who has almost no redeeming quality
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http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
We've been to the Black Temple, since Xe'ra judges us for that.
We fought the Lich King, since Bolvar mentions us in cinematic.
WE helped secure the dragon soul and WE fought alongside the aspects.
In SoO, Nazgrim recognizes us (horde), and so do the Klaxxi.
WoD not so much, we were the commanders but its hard to imagine there would be one commander out of the group that always does something heroic.
Legion - as class hall leaders we are canon more then ever.
So yes, we do exist and its confirmed during multiple encounters. It also makes sense to start as a meatshield and advance to the ranks of commanders/leaders.
Expansion looks very generic. Almost like it's a filler expansion with no personality that they can make money off of while they keep the real lore and good ideas in their back pocket for later. I played legion until like 3 months ago and a genuinely enyojed it. The game is a far cry from what it used to be but at least this xpac has been kinda fun. I think i'll pass on BfA.
The cinematic was badass. If you don't like it, tough luck. Don't call it the worst expansion cinematic ever, because you're likely to get laughed at and not taken seriously in future conversations. Next time say something like: I don't like ____ because ____. Cheers!
A far cry from what it used to be? Are you one of those nostalgia folk who think that previous WoW expansions/iterations is always going to be better?
The story makes sense. It's not like Azshara is going to pop out at the end of Legion and start causing havoc everywhere. She could still be biding her time. When your enemies are fighting each other, it's easier to beat both of them. Idk, the story seems logical to me.
I think it's a good idea, personally, to have the Horde and Alliance start fighting each other full-scale story-wise. Even throughout Legion, there was a lot of tension between the Horde and the Alliance. If you paid attention to the bits of story and lore in the World Quests, there were skirmishes against one another throughout the Broken Isles.
It will make for a more compelling story where the Horde and Alliance are at full-out war and Azshara and N'Zoth use it as an opportunity to strike. A divided Azeroth is easier to defeat than a united one.
I don't think it is even debatable that this games best days are long behind it. The subscription numbers prove it. Horde and Alliance have been fighting since the beginning so forgive me for thinking an expansion centered around Horde vs. Alliance is stale and shows lack of effort.
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Just to be clear, anyone thinking Anduin was a crybaby in the cinematic probably doesn't fully grasp the concept or idea of having true faith. That isn't a zinger at anyone or their IRL beliefs. This is about Anduin, a guy who was raised through years of war to somehow try to fill the shoes of his badass father without losing his sense of self, beliefs or faith. He's a WOW Priest, which is lightyears ahead of our nonfiction comparisons by the sheer act that holiness can be visibly seen through spells. Anduin has seen holy power work up close. His faith and devotion to the light is ingrained into him.
That being said, when a guy like that lets go of his fear and rage against the troll shaman and Slyvannas, and notices the sight of his soldiers suffering; and gives himself into the Light and hope, he is literally being rewarded for his faith. So, to see him "cry", what you are actually seeing is him feeling every single positive emotion at the same time. Have you ever been so happy that your body couldn't deside whether or not to smile, laugh, or cry? That is what Anduin expresses during that cutscene and the animators NAILED that emotion perfectly.
we exist since vanilla wow, check official lore on who killed C'thun and stopped Naxxarams first time
No It is officially stated by Blizzard themselves that we killed C'thun, not Thrall, not Muradin, but we players, heck they even retconned who had the gong from that nelf priest and changed it to the first player in WOW who got it, check that urself
We are official lore members since ages, they just make it ambiguous if we were 'alliance or horde', there are hints. like how Garrosh was using belt loot from LK, and no mention of Saurfang/Varian interaction in lore hint that it was horde who got the LK (probably trade off since it is also alliance who got C'thun, or at least the gong) but that's pretty much it, credits always go to 'adventurers'
Even Ragnaros stats that we 'fought him again' in Firelands, while I'm sure Death and Taxes disbanded years before he was released
In fact not a single time we were discredited, for example Maeiv killed Illidan with help of adventurers, Thrall stopped Deathwing with help of aspects AND adventurers, we are always there
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
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http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power